3 ways to kill a sequel/reboot

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ZEEK

Monday, February 8, 2010 4:18 PM

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Originally posted by Corncobb:
Couldn't agree more. In fact, I think Spider-man 3 is a rare example of a film where the director should have listened to the studio. The Sandman plot was epic fail throughout. So was the Harry Osborne plot. The Venom storyline might've actually worked, except Raimi practically sabotaged it. Seems like he was so annoyed with having to use the Black Costume/Venom that he decided to rebel by treating it as a bad joke. Hence, rubbishness ensues. Really unprofessional.

I agree. I don't think the problem was with the studio. I think the problem was with Raimi not listening. If he completely dropped sandman and made the movie about Venom it could have been much better IMO.

Did he really think Sandman would be a sympathetic villain just because he has a sick kid at home? Please.

OPPYH

Monday, February 8, 2010 5:53 PM

Well, I have heard for some time there is going to be a final Evil Dead film with Raimi, and Bruce. So maybe leaving the Spidey films was in his best interest?

STORYMARK

Monday, February 8, 2010 6:39 PM

I was dissapointed with Indy 3, but none of that had to do with his having a kid - it was all down to other silly crap in the script.

I didn't love the kid in Superman Returns, but again, I didn't feel like he hurt the film too much (though he did complicate any potential sequel) - the worst problems were elsewhere.

And BTW, Bay conceived the story for Trannies 2, so it's odd to say he screwed up the writer's story - since they just built on what he gave them (not to defend it - I HATED that movie).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

STORYMARK

Monday, February 8, 2010 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

I agree. I don't think the problem was with the studio. I think the problem was with Raimi not listening. If he completely dropped sandman and made the movie about Venom it could have been much better IMO.

Did he really think Sandman would be a sympathetic villain just because he has a sick kid at home? Please.

Do you really think the movie would have been that much better if it had centered around a character the director doesn't like?

Also - Sandman was always going to be in the movie, and there was always going to be another he teamed up with. The Vulture was the character Raimi wanted to use and had the script written around, until he was forced to replace him with Venom. But Raimi was clear since the first film, he never liked Venom.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

OPPYH

Monday, February 8, 2010 8:14 PM

The thing about Raimi is....he GOT Spiderman.

He knew the character well, and that is why he was such a good fit. Now if we get some yahoo that doesn't know Spiderman to make the new movie, it will be horrible. Spiderman 1, and 2 were very, very close to the original comic books(especially the second film) and Raimi got the atmosphere just right. Many people complained that the first two films were overly dramatic. Well, if they read issues 1-50 of the Amazing Spiderman they would understand it was spot on. Peter Parker is an everyman(teen) with real troubles, and dilemmas.
Kudos to Raimi for keeping true to the original comic.

ZEEK

Monday, February 8, 2010 9:47 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Do you really think the movie would have been that much better if it had centered around a character the director doesn't like?

Also - Sandman was always going to be in the movie, and there was always going to be another he teamed up with. The Vulture was the character Raimi wanted to use and had the script written around, until he was forced to replace him with Venom. But Raimi was clear since the first film, he never liked Venom.

I think a three yearold with a crayon could have edited the film and made it better. So, yeah I think think even the crummy addition of Venom was probably an improvement. That was about the only interesting thing in the movie.

So, Raimi thinks he's smarter than the studio and all the tons of Venom fans? Is that supposed to be a good quality?

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
The thing about Raimi is....he GOT Spiderman.

He knew the character well, and that is why he was such a good fit. Now if we get some yahoo that doesn't know Spiderman to make the new movie, it will be horrible. Spiderman 1, and 2 were very, very close to the original comic books(especially the second film) and Raimi got the atmosphere just right. Many people complained that the first two films were overly dramatic. Well, if they read issues 1-50 of the Amazing Spiderman they would understand it was spot on. Peter Parker is an everyman(teen) with real troubles, and dilemmas.
Kudos to Raimi for keeping true to the original comic.

He seemed to get that Peter never really has anything go right for him, but that's about all he got. He didn't get the comedy side at all. I can't think of a single wise crack delivered well in his movies. They also didn't show Spiderman doing anything particularly smart to beat his opponents. It was always just fight, fight, fight, win.

I really think there's a lot of room for improvement in his movies. Even the vaunted Spiderman 2.

STORYMARK

Monday, February 8, 2010 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:

So, Raimi thinks he's smarter than the studio and all the tons of Venom fans? Is that supposed to be a good quality?

Seriously? Yes, on both counts. Hell, this is a Firefly site, yes? I thought it was SOP to consider any studio suits to be morons.

And fanboys.... oy. Expecially Venom fanboys.

'Nuff said

It would have been a different movie, but better - that's pure speculation. But if you think a director is going to do a good job with a character they hate..... keep dreaming.

Funny though, that big venom fans think he would have saved the movie. Everyone else thinks that he was one of the... you know.... bad things.

Personally, I'm not a big Venom fan, but I think the story could have been a decent movie. But forcing someone who hates the character to do it aint the way to make that happen.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

GINOBIFFARONI

Monday, February 8, 2010 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
3. Introduce offspring. Shia Lebouf in Indy 4. Pointless. Ruined the film for me. Superman's son in Superman returns...stupid. What the hell were the writers thinking? The introduction of offspring can suck the life out of a film.

I think you might even disagree when we discover in Serenity 2 ( don't know the title yet )

that Zoe had a little Wash baby 8 months after the end of the first movie...

MISSTRESSAHARA

Tuesday, February 9, 2010 1:45 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I was dissapointed with Indy 3, but none of that had to do with his having a kid - it was all down to other silly crap in the script.

I didn't love the kid in Superman Returns, but again, I didn't feel like he hurt the film too much (though he did complicate any potential sequel) - the worst problems were elsewhere.

And BTW, Bay conceived the story for Trannies 2, so it's odd to say he screwed up the writer's story - since they just built on what he gave them (not to defend it - I HATED that movie).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Curious Storymark, you mean Indy 4 right? NOT the one with Sean Connery.

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CORNCOBB

Tuesday, February 9, 2010 2:05 AM

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OPPYH wrote:
Monday, February 08, 2010 10:14
The thing about Raimi is....he GOT Spiderman.

He knew the character well, and that is why he was such a good fit. Now if we get some yahoo that doesn't know Spiderman to make the new movie, it will be horrible.

This is a worry, but there are a lot of Spider-man fans out there. What puts me right off Spider-man 4 is the rumour that it's a reboot. While I'd love to pretend Spider-man 3 never happened, and I'm pretty indifferent about Spider-man 2, it's way too soon for a remake.

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