What a difference 37 yrs makes.

POSTED BY: AURaptor
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AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:03 PM

1972: Nixon has a " list " of enemies, which, aside from political and labor leaders, consisted of many journalist and others in the media. The Press was OUTRAGED that the President would stoop to such a petty and personal level.

2009: Obama has HIS enemies list, which consists of those in the Right wing media and even private citizens, and the Press sees nothing wrong, and even sides w/ the President in vilifying those who oppose him.

When did Bush ever speak out against Michael Moore, or MOST of Hollywood ? Where was the campaign to besmirch and vilify Keith Olbermann?

Never happened. And yet, Obama has gone after private citizens , BY NAME, on more than one occasion. Be it Gibbs and his snarky comments in response to CNBC's Rick Santelli or Obama taking issue w/ Rush, this administration continues to prove it has a lot to learn in dealing w/ adversity.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

WHOZIT

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:07 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596.html

Now we know were the Democrats are getting their marching orders.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:12 PM

You don't like Obama, the come up with a GOOD Republican alternative next time, okay?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You don't like Obama, the come up with a GOOD Republican alternative next time, okay?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

You shut up!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You shut up!

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:29 PM

"You shut up."

"No..You shut up."

Thus goes political discourse on a Sci-Fi message board.

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When did Bush ever speak out against Michael Moore, or MOST of Hollywood ?

Bush (to Moore): "Get a real job."

Indeed Mr President, investigative journalism isn't a real job at all and just gets in deciderer's way.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:40 PM

I STILL want to see Rush Limbo & Michael More go into Thunderdome.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When did Bush ever speak out against Michael Moore, or MOST of Hollywood ?

Bush (to Moore): "Get a real job."

Indeed Mr President, investigative journalism isn't a real job at all and just gets in deciderer's way.

Moore is to " investigative journalism " as McDonald's is to fine dining.

BTW - I mean REAL responses, and not fake ones made up by you.

But thanks for trying.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

KWICKO

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When did Bush ever speak out against Michael Moore, or MOST of Hollywood ?

Bush (to Moore): "Get a real job."

Indeed Mr President, investigative journalism isn't a real job at all and just gets in deciderer's way.

Moore is to " investigative journalism " as McDonald's is to fine dining.

Or as Bush is to the presidency...

Mike

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Or as Bush is to the presidency...

Mike

After 2 yrs of Obamanomics, you'll long for the days of + 12,000 Dow Jones, - 5.0 % unemployment and actual ETHICS in Government.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

WASHNWEAR

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Moore is to " investigative journalism " as McDonald's is to fine dining.

Or as Bush is to the presidency...

Mike

Well, look at that - you're both right!

It was like that when we got here!

KWICKO

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 11:59 PM

I've been longing for ethics in government since Reagan was elected, so it's really not a new thing for me...

KWICKO

Wednesday, March 4, 2009 11:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by WASHnwear:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Moore is to " investigative journalism " as McDonald's is to fine dining.

Or as Bush is to the presidency...

Mike

Well, look at that - you're both right!

It was like that when we got here!

Exactly! Thanks for noticin'!

Mike

I can't run no more
with that lawless crowd
while the killers in high places
say their prayers out loud.
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
a thundercloud
and they're going to hear from me.

- Anthem, by Leonard Cohen

DICKCHENEY

Thursday, March 5, 2009 12:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
You don't like Obama, the come up with a GOOD Republican alternative next time, okay?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

You shut up!

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Go Fuck Yourself!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, March 5, 2009 8:40 AM

Wow, the first 8 replies were pretty good. Nice to see all getting along.
But just like Dole in 96, we had to suffer through the McCain 08 to finally show him he needs to quit - hope he gets the hint.

SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, March 5, 2009 9:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

After 2 yrs of Obamanomics, you'll long for the days of + 12,000 Dow Jones, - 5.0 % unemployment and actual ETHICS in Government.

Um... what presidency are you talking about? Because, it certainly can't be the last guy in office. You know the one. He started that cluster fuck in the middle east without any evidence to back up why he would want to get in there. That whole Gitmo thing. The general torture debate (e.g. is water boarding torture). Getting his cronies involved in "editing" scientific papers to fit his and his oil buddies personal/business agendas when those people had zero scientific training. Etc, etc, etc.

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SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, March 5, 2009 11:35 AM

Rush Limperson, the new voice of the Republ....
I can't do it, I just can't.

Rush Limpinator is to Sarah Palin....wait I lost my train of thought.

Rush with his designer black shirt and black sports coat, opened to his manly hairy chest. He looked like he got a makeover from those guys from Queer Eye (hehehe). Oh man, too..many..jokes filling..my..brain! He so gorgeous! (with a wave of the bent wrist) He's sucha hottie, NOT!

Enough of that!

SGG

Tawabawho?

SIMONWHO

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
After 2 yrs of Obamanomics, you'll long for the days of + 12,000 Dow Jones, - 5.0 % unemployment and actual ETHICS in Government.

Yeah, because a bogus boom fuelled by unsustainable debt levels and bank fraud is exactly what people will long for. Plus the Bush administration had no ethics whatsoever. Even it's die hard Republican ideals were tossed out the window when the chickens came home to roost just a little too early.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
After 2 yrs of Obamanomics, you'll long for the days of + 12,000 Dow Jones, - 5.0 % unemployment and actual ETHICS in Government.

Yeah, because a bogus boom fuelled by unsustainable debt levels and bank fraud is exactly what people will long for. Plus the Bush administration had no ethics whatsoever. Even it's die hard Republican ideals were tossed out the window when the chickens came home to roost just a little too early.

[snark]

Of course they have ethics! Why, even now, notice how not one single Republican has ever said a bad word about Bush, his policies, his legacy, or anything he ever did or said!

[/snark]

Mike

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
Rush Limperson, the new voice of the Republ....
I can't do it, I just can't.

Rush Limpinator is to Sarah Palin....wait I lost my train of thought.

Rush with his designer black shirt and black sports coat, opened to his manly hairy chest. He looked like he got a makeover from those guys from Queer Eye (hehehe). Oh man, too..many..jokes filling..my..brain! He so gorgeous! (with a wave of the bent wrist) He's sucha hottie, NOT!

Enough of that!

SGG

Tawabawho?

What are you, 12 ? I thought the Left was 'beyond ' appearances, that it's what a person thinks and feels like that's so important. Guess that only applies for those on the Left, huh?

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 1:50 PM

And you totally dismiss the idea that tax cuts allowed those who work for a living to spend their $$ as they see fit, didn't have any impact on the economy at all?

Wow. Talk about not seeing the trees for the forest.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you totally dismiss the idea that tax cuts allowed those who work for a living to spend their $$ as they see fit, didn't have any impact on the economy at all?

Wow. Talk about not seeing the trees for the forest.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Rap, Don't worry about these Obama worshippers. Even the most ardent Obama toe-licker will be screaming for his head in a few months if they used to have any savings or investments. Of course all the pathetic losers of society who suck blood from hard-working Americans will always cling to their savior Obama.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:28 PM

It suddenly dawned on my why they made McCain pick Palin- they wanted a Dem in the White House when the economy of cards came crashing down. They knew whoever was there couldn't make it work out well or quickly, so why not let the OTHER side look bad?
Now they're just hoping a recovery doesn't happen too soon so peeps will feel the pain & associate it not with the Republicans, but with Democrats, even both are responsible for this mess.

Good theory?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It suddenly dawned on my why they made McCain pick Palin- they wanted a Dem in the White House when the economy of cards came crashing down. They knew whoever was there couldn't make it work out well or quickly, so why not let the OTHER side look bad?
Now they're just hoping a recovery doesn't happen too soon so peeps will feel the pain & associate it not with the Republicans, but with Democrats, even both are responsible for this mess.

Good theory?

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

You might be right. But there is no denying that the Wall Street meltdown is in synch with Obama/Geithner's daily announcements. They're making the bad situation much, much worse. We can debate all day long about the causes that led us here, but since January 20th Obama has accelerated the pending disaster with spending plans that project generational debt in the 10's of trillions. Bush's bad numbers are miniscule in comparison.

Back to the politics of it that you brought up. McCain's nomination was bewidering and un-explainable. The only viable explanation I have is that the other candidates just plain sucked. I thought Rudy Guiliani might be the guy, but he had health and gut-check problems and dropped out. His campaign before that was a disaster. None of them knew how to run a campaign, how to appeal through the media, etc. A sad, pathetic lot for sure.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:46 PM

I was meaning to say that McCain had a solid and great chance to win the Presidency until he picked Palin & she opened her mouth. My mind was boggled why the didn't interview her for the position before choosing her. Sure, she temporarily invigorated his campaign because she was female (& quite a good looking one too), but she ultimately dragged him under the bus with her baggage & lack of worldly knowledge (and that prank phone call to her from the supposed President of France didn't help either).

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 2:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
It suddenly dawned on my why they made McCain pick Palin- they wanted a Dem in the White House when the economy of cards came crashing down. They knew whoever was there couldn't make it work out well or quickly, so why not let the OTHER side look bad?
Now they're just hoping a recovery doesn't happen too soon so peeps will feel the pain & associate it not with the Republicans, but with Democrats, even both are responsible for this mess.

Good theory?

That theory works, save for one minor detail. McCain, not Palin, was the flaw which doomed the GOP and paved the way for O's historic victory. A better choice would have been Romney. But the powers that be chose the old soldier instead, knowing the outcome would be like it was in '92. When they saw they still had a chance, they chose Palin, and were it not for the crash and McCain's idiotic vote for the first TARP bail out bill... things might be different. But notice how the $$ from the massive stimulus bill doesn't really kick in until Summer of 2010, right before what ?

Midterm elections.

Designed only to stimulate the Dems come election time, and not save the country until then. Bravo.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 3:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

That theory works, save for one minor detail. McCain, not Palin, was the flaw which doomed the GOP and paved the way for O's historic victory.

Palin killed it for them, you know, you might have a great future with those idiots that chose her; why not get active in the Neocon Party? It's never too late to become a political dinosaur yourself!

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But notice how the $$ from the massive stimulus bill doesn't really kick in until Summer of 2010,

That is the master plan.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

WASHNWEAR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Even the most ardent Obama toe-licker will be screaming for his head in a few months if they used to have any savings or investments. Of course all the pathetic losers of society who suck blood from hard-working Americans will always cling to their savior Obama.

Dude, I can totally lick Obama's toes and scream for his head at the same time. How? PRACTICE!

This isn't my first exposure to the U.S. political system, ya know!

...though I may have to take on somebody part-time to help out with the blood-sucking...

It was like that when we got here!

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

That theory works, save for one minor detail. McCain, not Palin, was the flaw which doomed the GOP and paved the way for O's historic victory.
Palin killed it for them, you know, you might have a great future with those idiots that chose her; why not get active in the Neocon Party? It's never too late to become a political dinosaur yourself!

Actually, I'm more of a PALEO con, than a Neo Con. And fyi, dinosaurs were the most successful land vertebrates in Earth's history. I view it as a great compliment to be referred to as one.

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But notice how the $$ from the massive stimulus bill doesn't really kick in until Summer of 2010,
That is the master plan.

I know. Let the country fail, and the people suffer, until it's time for election, and then when the economic cycle has already begun to swing up, and there's a huge infusion of our grandchildren's $$ into the system, folks will be easily distracted by the bread and circuses from the Imperial Federal Government, and folks will fall for the political shell game being played.

Party over country. ALWAYS it is with the Democrats.

ALWAYS.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Party over country. ALWAYS it is with the Democrats.

AND Republicans, you biped.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 4:34 PM

If W was a purely company man, and was putting the party over the needs of the country, he'd have kicked the IRAQ can down the street, for someone ELSE to deal with. But W chose the tougher road, and took the arrows for it.

He also put country over party when he attempted, and was shot down by both parties, to fix Social Security. I think he should have pushed harder, and taken the issue to the people, because in less than 10 yrs, SS will start paying out more $$ than it takes in , and this country will absolutely begin to bleed to death, financially.

What ever is left of the country, by then.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
1972: Nixon has a " list " of enemies, which, aside from political and labor leaders, consisted of many journalist and others in the media. The Press was OUTRAGED that the President would stoop to such a petty and personal level.

2009: Obama has HIS enemies list, which consists of those in the Right wing media and even private citizens, and the Press sees nothing wrong, and even sides w/ the President in vilifying those who oppose him.

When did Bush ever speak out against Michael Moore, or MOST of Hollywood ? Where was the campaign to besmirch and vilify Keith Olbermann?

Never happened. And yet, Obama has gone after private citizens , BY NAME, on more than one occasion. Be it Gibbs and his snarky comments in response to CNBC's Rick Santelli or Obama taking issue w/ Rush, this administration continues to prove it has a lot to learn in dealing w/ adversity.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

You left one out:

2008: VP Dick "Dickless" Cheney besmirches Keith Olbermann in a speech written for him by the White House.

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you totally dismiss the idea that tax cuts allowed those who work for a living to spend their $$ as they see fit, didn't have any impact on the economy at all?

Wow. Talk about not seeing the trees for the forest.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Rap, Don't worry about these Obama worshippers. Even the most ardent Obama toe-licker will be screaming for his head in a few months if they used to have any savings or investments. Of course all the pathetic losers of society who suck blood from hard-working Americans will always cling to their savior Obama.

Yes, just as all you pathetic Bush dick-lickers are only now starting to admit that maybe, just MAYBE, he wasn't the greatest American President, but a total and utter failure on every conceivable level!

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:23 PM

Olbermann deserved to be besmirched, by Cheney and a long list of real Americans. Olbermann is a impotent Left wing she-male.

And I never claimed W was the GREATEST anything. I love how you on the left ALWAYS exaggerate, twist ,distort and blow things completely out of proportion.

I'm glad we had W instead of Gore or Kerry as President. Flaws and all, the world is a better place for it.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
But W chose the tougher road, and took the arrows for it.

*BULLSHIT ALERT*
*BULLSHIT ALERT*

Note: it's not "tough" to make mindless, thoughtless decisions. it's "tough" to put real thought & research into one. You must not be aware of this.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:35 PM

Chris, you're wrong.

It was tough to deal w/ the cries of "quagmire" and the nut jobs like Cindy Sheehan. Bush could easily side stepped the whole issue, and let the " world community " deal w/ Iraq.

He clearly chose the tougher road.

That you hate him, out of pure reactionary spite, can't see it, is obvious.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

He clearly chose the tougher road.

Yo, Biped, I could choose to punch every dope that gets in my face, and that would make my life more difficult. The "tough road" YOU speak of is simply a pain in the ass. The one I speak of is the one requires THOUGHT, an apparently difficult task for Mr. Bush.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

That you hate him, out of pure reactionary spite, can't see it, is obvious.

That you love Bush, out of pure reactionary partisanship, even though you can't see it, is obvious.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And you totally dismiss the idea that tax cuts allowed those who work for a living to spend their $$ as they see fit, didn't have any impact on the economy at all?

Wow. Talk about not seeing the trees for the forest.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Rap, Don't worry about these Obama worshippers. Even the most ardent Obama toe-licker will be screaming for his head in a few months if they used to have any savings or investments. Of course all the pathetic losers of society who suck blood from hard-working Americans will always cling to their savior Obama.

Yes, just as all you pathetic Bush dick-lickers are only now starting to admit that maybe, just MAYBE, he wasn't the greatest American President, but a total and utter failure on every conceivable level!

Let's see how loud you crow when you have no money and no job. Sometime soon, when you're cooking a potato on a stick over a 60-gallon drum, at least you can take solace that Obama didn't pour water on anyone in the process of destroying our country and our way of life. You can still be proudly holding your Bush is Hitler sign as a fellow bum slits your throat for a dollar. You'll be able to thank Obama for that. He's an absolute fraud and an un-abashed LIAR. Pelosi never would be getting away with her far-Left bankruptcy of the country if Hillary was the President. Obama, is just a Trojan Horse, out of which spills his Staff Of "Change"...all a bunch of tax cheats, pornography attorneys, and shameless Clintonista hacks. Wall Street looks ahead and predicts trends for the future. They're saying Obama's spending programs are doomsday for Americans. But you keep hating Bush, and that may get you through it somehow.

AURAPTOR

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:43 PM

There was plenty of thought. It was a "slam dunk", and Bush still needed more to go on than just the word from his CIA director.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 5:46 PM

Two things, Jong:

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sometime soon, when you're cooking a potato on a stick over a 60-gallon drum... You can still be proudly holding your Bush is Hitler sign as a fellow bum slits your throat for a dollar.

Is that drama a little over the top?

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Wall Street looks ahead and predicts trends for the future.

Pardon me if *chuckle* as things turned out I don't have a lot of faith in them anymore.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Two things, Jong:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sometime soon, when you're cooking a potato on a stick over a 60-gallon drum... You can still be proudly holding your Bush is Hitler sign as a fellow bum slits your throat for a dollar.
Is that drama a little over the top?
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Wall Street looks ahead and predicts trends for the future.
Pardon me if *chuckle* as things turned out I don't have a lot of faith in them anymore.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

I'm never over the top Chris. You know that.

There are 10's of thousands of companies that trade stocks. The vast majority of them are not crooked. You can't just laugh away our market system of capitalism over a few rotten apples. It doesn't justify the gutting of our way of life by pursuing Govt socialism and cradle-to-grave entitlement programs. That wrong thinking has already bankrupted California.

Like I said, I don't have a crystal ball. I just know that every financial person I know says we're going down the tubes over this massive multi-trillion dollars of spending, and attacking the small business of America 'aint much of a plan either. You and Kwikko and the rest keep laughing at us as you defend Obama lies. How you can do it in light of your disappearing savings and retirement plans is beyond me.

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You and Kwikko and the rest keep laughing. How you can do it with a straight face

I, uh, don't actually laugh with a straight face, but that may be a whole other topic...

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in light of your disappearing savings and retirement plans is beyond me.

My savings have not been significantly affected by this mess. I'm crafty that way.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You and Kwikko and the rest keep laughing. How you can do it with a straight face
I, uh, don't actually laugh with a straight face, but that may be a whole other topic...
Quote:
in light of your disappearing savings and retirement plans is beyond me.
My savings have not been significantly affected by this mess. I'm crafty that way.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

I fixed the sentence for you teacher. Glad your money's safe. I guess you didn't own any stocks, mutual funds, IRA's 401K's, etc. Tens of millions of Americans do however. You have ANY sympathy for them?

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I fixed the sentence for you teacher.

Oh, come on! It WAS funny, wasn't it?
Ah well, they can't all be gold.

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You have ANY sympathy for them?

Yes, I do actually. This plan that Obama is using is not what I would choose, it has the potential for massive long-term debt, but so would any plan I could devise. I don't see any easy solutions here, and I'm not a good enough economist to definitely say Obama's plan WON'T work. I will say it seem iffy to me.
Btw, my Wife's 401 took a little hit...

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, March 6, 2009 6:49 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I fixed the sentence for you teacher.
Oh, come on! It WAS funny, wasn't it?
Ah well, they can't all be gold.
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You have ANY sympathy for them?
Yes, I do actually. This plan that Obama is using is not what I would choose, it has the potential for massive long-term debt, but so would any plan I could devise. I don't see any easy solutions here, and I'm not a good enough economist to definitely say Obama's plan WON'T work. I will say it seem iffy to me.
Btw, my Wife's 401 took a little hit...

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

Yes, it WAS funny! I'm a bit riled up these days, likely as a result of watching too much cable news & getting my financial statements. Sometimes my typing can't keep up with my thoughts. I hear what you're saying about these plans, but jumpin' jesus, every day, every damn day, it's another mutil-billion dollar package or bailout, or trillion dollar program for some liberal tenet of the Robin Hood variety. It's downright discouraging to say the least.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, March 6, 2009 7:53 PM

And the other side felt the same way about massive no-bid contracts where the work never even got done - and endless slush to defense contractors most folk wouldn't trust to pour piss out of a boot if the directions were stamped on the heel.

In all truth, there's not really a dimes worth of difference between the previous resident of 1600W Penn and this one, other than where the abuses happen and where the money goes - essentially they're part of the same machine with the same agenda and different ways of going about it, is all.

What you are seeing, what you are tearing your hair out about, is the same shit that was foisted on the OTHER end of the socio-political spectrum for eight straight years, with you standing behind it holding a pair of pom-poms cheering for all you were worth - despite the fact that BOTH presidents agendas were, and still are, detrimental to ALL of us, even you.

Which is, of course, why no one has an ounce of sympathy for you when you throw a hissy at being on the recieving end of the same type of Constitutonal abuses you fucking celebrated when you were on the dishing end, yes ?

W was definately a fuckup, Obamalamadingdong is very probably a fuckup, and UNLESS WE GET OUR SHIT TOGETHER FAST, whoever replaces him will probably be a fuckup too.

But no, you'd rather sit there and pule and whine about how awful it is to have to eat from the same platter you and yours dished out to everyone else, too busy trying to defend your own hypocrisy to actually accomplish any damn thing - to me that's the very definition of useless.

Dude, look, Bush fucked it up, ADMIT that and let's get on with a boot up Obamas ass before he can fuck it up worse.

Or you could piss and moan some more.

Your choice, but it's the last chance imma give you on the matter before I start treating you like just another brainless, useless idiot who places party above country, and both above it's people.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:01 PM

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Olbermann deserved to be besmirched, by Cheney and a long list of real Americans.

And it's my considered opinion that Rush deserves to be set ablaze. That's a grease fire that could burn down entire neighborhoods!

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:05 PM

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Let's see how loud you crow when you have no money and no job.

Sorry, Jongs, but that ain't gonna happen. Didn't happen when Carter was in office, didn't happen when Reagan took over and unemployment went UP, didn't happen under Daddy Bush, when unemployment spiked again, didn't happen under Clinton and the dot-com burst, didn't happen under Dubya and his myriad fuck-ups (is the plural of fuck-ups "fucks-up"? Just wondering...), ain't likely to happen under Obama. Unemployment hits 10 or 11 percent, I'll still be working. Why? Because it's what I do, darlin'. It's what I do.

Mike

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:09 PM

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Tens of millions of Americans do however. You have ANY sympathy for them?

Yes. EXACTLY as much sympathy as you have for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

You'll say "well, if they hadn't supported tyrants, they wouldn't be in that position now." And I can say the exact same thing. Those people knew they were playing Russian Roulette - what they didn't realize was that they were using a .45 auto to play it with. Their bad, not mine. They trusted Bush and the market forces; I didn't.

Mike

CHRISISALL

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
jumpin' jesus, every day, every damn day, it's another mutil-billion dollar package or bailout, or trillion dollar program for some liberal tenet of the Robin Hood variety. It's downright discouraging to say the least.

I am not immune to feeling discouraged as well.

I'm only laughing on the outside,
My smile is just skin deep.
If you could see inside I'm really crying,
You might join me for a weep.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

KWICKO

Friday, March 6, 2009 10:11 PM

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Your choice, but it's the last chance imma give you on the matter before I start treating you like just another brainless, useless idiot who places party above country, and both above it's people.

That's one more chance than I'm giving him.

Mike

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, March 9, 2009 6:00 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
It suddenly dawned on my why they made McCain pick Palin- they wanted a Dem in the White House when the economy of cards came crashing down. They knew whoever was there couldn't make it work out well or quickly, so why not let the OTHER side look bad?
Now they're just hoping a recovery doesn't happen too soon so peeps will feel the pain & associate it not with the Republicans, but with Democrats, even both are responsible for this mess.

Good theory?

That theory works, save for one minor detail. McCain, not Palin, was the flaw which doomed the GOP and paved the way for O's historic victory. A better choice would have been Romney. But the powers that be chose the old soldier instead, knowing the outcome would be like it was in '92. When they saw they still had a chance, they chose Palin, and were it not for the crash and McCain's idiotic vote for the first TARP bail out bill... things might be different. But notice how the $$ from the massive stimulus bill doesn't really kick in until Summer of 2010, right before what ?

Midterm elections.

Designed only to stimulate the Dems come election time, and not save the country until then. Bravo.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

A concern of the GOP is that the people aren't informed enough to understand their policies, while a fear of the Dems is that the people ARE.

Well Rap, you're covering things pretty well here. Although I disagree about McCain being the GOP's attempt to repeat 1992. McCain was the GOP trying to repeat 1996.
Wondering about someting else. Obama knows he cannot correct the economy while dragging it through the liberal dirt of socialist programs, so he's scheduling it for 'correction' in 2010, and then when (like in 1994) the GOP takes over the House and the economy recovers (like after the 1994 elections) he'll be able to take credit for the recovery (like Clinton in time for 1996). Is this how you seen it? Since McCain was already the GOP's Dole candidate, and the GOP should be able to put up a winnable candidate, do you see the Obama defeat in 2012 as long as the GOP wins in 2010?
Do you think the economy will need to wait until the GOP wins in 2010, or might it recover before then? Or should we just start learning Chinese now?