Ran into a guy from Fox at the airport

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BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Monday, April 14, 2008 8:46 PM

I was in the Charlotte airport a few days ago. I was at the bar sitting next to an older businessman, and made a comment about what was on the news(Fox). He commented he works for Fox. I was like "right" "OK", "whatever", and "I'm with NASA". He produced his business card. His title was senior developement something, if I recall. I gave it back to him, and asked how things were going. He stated alright. I commented that I no longer watch Fox over the Firefly debacle. His demeanor changed, and stated that wasn't Fox's fault. He said the Fox cancelled the show over ratings. I countered it was Fox who aired it out of order, preempted by baseball, 9 episodes, bad time slot, etc. I then stated I knew that Fox "deep-sixed" Firefly from the moment they aired it. Every Browncoat knows the details. I stated that Fox has made nothing but garbage since, and I was behind Joss 100%. He got upset, and said "excuse me", and moved down the bar. TAKE THAT FOX! BROWNCOATS ARE EVERYWHERE.

"They're whores"..."I'm in"!

LWAVES

Monday, April 14, 2008 8:57 PM

Good for you, any payback is good payback. I hope you ruined his day, or even his week.

Of course it's not 'their' fault, it's never 'their' fault. They inhabit a dimension completely seperate from the rest of us normals, abnormals and subnormals, one where fault is always applicable to someone else.
Although he says it's not Fox's fault, he then says that Fox cancelled the show for ratings. So they still cancelled it. The reason is irrelevant really, the end result is the same. They did it.

I hope he and his co-workers go to a special hell.

"I don't believe in suicide, but if you'd like to try it it might cheer me up to watch."

BLUEMOONSTUFF

Monday, April 14, 2008 8:57 PM

Next time you run into a guy from F*X.......... make sure you are in your car and he's in the crosswalk!

Good for you though! Makin' the Alliance move down the bar is always another point earned for us Browncoats.

BMS

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MOBBEX

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:01 PM

WAY... TO... GO !!!

STRANGEBIRD

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:06 PM

Personally I would have thrown in a few comments about Fox News. But good job!

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HIXIE129

Monday, April 14, 2008 9:23 PM

Good job,,

ZEEK

Monday, April 14, 2008 10:00 PM

If only you kept the business card. We could have made him have to change his phone number.

I think I would have gone off on him more and more and more. His excuse of poor ratings would have thrown me into a fury. Good job for letting him have it. I don't think I would have excused him though.

PHYRELIGHT

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:08 AM

Score one for the bad guys!

Man, you had me laughing so hard I couldn't breathe. I'll be spontaneously giggling about this for days!

Darksiders can keep their cookies. We have better writers.

Grrr. Argghh.

Patiently waiting to see Cap'n Hammerpants sing!

FREELANCERTEX

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BiggestDamnHero: Ran into a guy from Fox at the airport.

Did you kill him?

*reads post* damn. want ME to kill him?

srsly though, i wish you'd kept his card, and given his phone number to everyone on this site, cuz I'm pretty sure we'd all start calling him ^_^ at least i would

JSTN

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:57 AM

I'm saluting you over here. I LOVE that he got up and moved. The truth is really hard for some people to deal with, and he probably knew of the Browncoat's rep.

Too bad it wasn't Kevin Reilly though. He's in charge of programming at Fox now, after cancelling Surface, when he was at NBC.

He hung 10 Million Nimsters high and dry, without resolution to quite literally dozens of questions raised in the show. (and they wonder why viewership is down)

Man, would I love to get him in a room alone, one without a bar to slide down.

Anyway, great job. I'll share your story over at savesurface - Jstn (Ad-Nim-istrator savesurface.com)

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MIRAMEL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:09 AM

NICEly done. he moved, i'd say thats a win for us.

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CBSTEVE

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:11 AM

You are the biggest damn hero! I bet not many Browncoats have had an oppurtunity like that. Bet he got the shock of his life when he found out your a Firefly fan. He'll keep his mouth shut in bars and never tell anyone what he does or if he does he won't do it without first asking "Have you ever heard of a show called Firefly?" If they say yes he'll be saying he tried to stop its cancellation. Maybe the jackass will go back to LA, get Rupert Murdoch on the phone or someone else with juice and tell them they got a bunch a fans out there still rooting for a show that hasn't been on since 2002. Maybe that'll open their gorramn eyes!

GILEAD

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:23 AM

I think we've all learned an important lesson.

Get the card, express disapproval, keep the card.

Nuff said.

Gilead

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FREEBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:59 AM

It could have been an opportunity to put in a good word, letting it fester.

QUIETUDE

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:33 AM

As Woody Boyd once said: "You attract more Flies with Honey than Vinegar, but you get the most with dead squirrels'.

I am sure the Fox guy in the bar will definitely put in a good word for Firefly now if it is mentioned at a board meeting. After all he was harrassed by a Browncoat, or at that least thats the way he will see it. No reason to be a BDH if you know you've already been rejected by those you might want to help.

You can't blame an individual for a decision that his company made.

Sounds like all he was trying to do was protect the reputation of the company that pays his wages. He obviously underestimated the passion for the subject of the person he was speaking to (Easily done when its Firefly), and reaped the consequences.

KATESFRIEND

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:52 AM

At the very least you've given the man a clue that in spite of their best efforts, Browncoats are here for the long haul. What other kind of business designs a product that makes them real money, has unbelievable - almost imfamous - customer loyalty - and still refuses to tap into that ready made market - only a stupid one looking for its own Darwin award.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:44 AM

I would have quoted The Operative at him.

"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."

And then given him a creepy little grin and maybe gently leaned in his direction...

Moving down the bar is nice, but I am aimin for that change-of-underwear moment.

Heaven help the F*X exec who winds up catching a certain, particular cab from DTW...
Meh heh heh.

-F

STRANGEBIRD

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:44 AM

Odds are though people that this guy had nothing at all to do with the programming on Fox. Sounds like he was in a somewhat important role at Fox News which last I check was, though a really sucky news network, not responsible for the cancellation of Firefly. Still if he ever got a promotion to something more influential he might have a better understanding of the pointlessness of the current rating system. Though seriously I doubt it. If he works for Fox News that automatically makes him either a dupe, an idiot or a liar. Anyone of which wouldn't help our cause if ten thousand Browncoats pissed him off.

Though to be honest I myself would have done no different in your situation. Except like I said before I may have added a jab at Fox News.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:59 AM

That guy must be delusional. How can they currently think they had made the right decision after all they have subsequently learned about the popularity of FF, and Serenity, and all the products made and sold around the franchise?

EMPIREX

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:37 AM

You. Are. Awesome.

That is all.

"Can you, for a moment, imagine how depressing it is to teach one thousand years of masculine ineptitude? Why do you think there are so few women historians? I'll tell you why. Because history is not such a frolic for women as it is for men... History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. History is women following behind with a bucket and a mop." - Alan Bennett, "The History Boys"

DARKFLY

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:09 AM

That was so AWESOME, which I could of been there :D

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GWEK

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:08 PM

Not to buck the trend, but I wonder if this guy even worked at Fox in 2002...

And while Fox is terrible and all for cancelling Firefly, not everything they've produced is garbage. In fact, in terms of quality entertainment, they might actually have a better batting average than the other networks. I mean, sure, they CANCEL most of those shows, but at least they give them a chance. Fox may have mistreated FIREFLY, but I didn't exactly see ABC, CBS, NBC, or even the Sci Fi Channel inviting her to dance.

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:44 PM

I might have been a little more diplomatic with that myself...but he DID play the 'bulls**t' card, so I can't fault the response.

Fingers crossed for Dollhouseisall

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:36 PM

I'm going to buck the trend even further and express regret that you did it this way. Like as not the guy didn't work at Fox when Firefly was canceled. You've only perpetuated the notion that Browncoats are a pushy, rude, fanatical lot.

Being nice to the guy and telling him a bit about the good will ( for goodness sakes, mention CSTS!! ) and the avid love that the FF/S fans still have for the product and expressing some heartfelt love for Joss and telling this guy that we'll be watching DollHouse and we're hoping for much success for their network with Joss would have been the way to go for me.

Firefly is gone. Being rude and intimidating a Fox employee isn't going to increase its chances of coming back, in fact it hurts the chances of its coming back.

I'm likely to get flamed for this, but I've been around for awhile now. I love this 'Verse with all my heart but the tactics that have already gone before, being rude and vengful BC's, petitions, talking of trying to pay for it ourselves, etc. are not going to work. Not anymore. Period. Frankly nothing will work but time and money. Making new fans, buying new products, watching new shows that involve Joss and our BDH's, watching genre tv will have an effect.

And we have to wait for the moment when serendipity comes together again with the right combo of Joss' interest, our BDH's availability ( although from what I've read out there it's likely to be something new in the 'Verse having nothing to do with the original crew ), money from a studio, the right medium ( webisodes? Direct2DVD movie? miniseries? animation? ( a la Star Wars ), reincarnation in a completely different realm ( a la BSG )etc. We have to have someone on the inside willing to help us too. Joss is now on the inside of Fox again. Fox still holds the rights to Firefly. See what I'm getting at?

In a battle in a war there are many elements working all at the same time. Sometimes the soldiers have to be brave, sit still, do what they're supposed to do when they need to and wait for the next order. We've not received any orders except to hold. We can recruit...that's the fun part. We can be good to our fellow friends... even better.

I'm holdin' til Mal gets back. And I'm being kind to Fox execs and anyone else I know can do us some good.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

I'm holdin' til Mal gets back. And I'm being kind to Fox execs and anyone else I know can do us some good.

Well said, FM. I'm for mending bridges also- thanks for pointing this out.

Not on the Dark Side Chrisisall

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I would have quoted The Operative at him.

"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."

And then given him a creepy little grin and maybe gently leaned in his direction...

Moving down the bar is nice, but I am aimin for that change-of-underwear moment.

Heaven help the F*X exec who winds up catching a certain, particular cab from DTW...
Meh heh heh.

-F

Nothing like making the people who *MIGHT* be able to bring us more of the 'Verse think we are nothing more than deranged lunatics.

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

I'm likely to get flamed for this, but I've been around for awhile now. I love this 'Verse with all my heart but the tactics that have already gone before, being rude and vengful BC's, petitions, talking of trying to pay for it ourselves, etc. are not going to work. Not anymore. Period. Frankly nothing will work but time and money. Making new fans, buying new products, watching new shows that involve Joss and our BDH's, watching genre tv will have an effect.

Thanks for bringing some much needed rationality to this discussion. You and a few others seem to be the only ones who understand that this guy probably had zero to do with Firefly's cancellation and you can buy ill will just as easily as you can good ill. The guy at the bar bought us a lot of ill will.

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:49 PM

Thanks for sayin' Chris. *hugs*

All wars have to come to an end.
Fighting has to cease and peace has to be met.

Our one champion at Universal, Mary Parent, no longer works there. Uni would seem to be a dead end street for more of FF/S.
Therefore our eyes should turn to Fox. Joss' sure did.

There is opportunity for us with Fox and Joss that hasn't been there since FF's cancellation. Not yet, not for a long while, but it's there. Our role is to find some really wonderful way to wait and hold and let them see that we're all still out here.

I think we have a really good start with CSTS and all the other charities and fan functions that we all do.

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BookReader:
Thanks for bringing some much needed rationality to this discussion. You and a few others seem to be the only ones who understand that this guy probably had zero to do with Firefly's cancellation and you can buy ill will just as easily as you can good ill. The guy at the bar bought us a lot of ill will.

Just sayin' what I think, but I'm glad you chimed in.
Thank you!

I think the BC's are in a unique position right now.
The fandom is fading, there's nothing new and we're either filled with bitterness or apathy or disinterest. Now's the time to refocus on what we're all about. We're a group of people with a lot of passion, passion that could be harnessed to do a lot of good. We can't get Firefly or Serenity back. That's impossible. But we can spread the word about the show we love and the community we strive to make better and we can let TPTB know---with pride and goodness--- that we're still here. Willing to spend money, hoping for more.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:

Therefore our eyes should turn to Fox. Joss' sure did.

And if Dollhouse is the hit it that just might be, that would also help regarding gettin' more of the 'Verse.

Hopeful Chrisisall

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:02 PM

Originally posted by Chrisisall:

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And if Dollhouse is the hit it that just might be, that would also help regarding gettin' more of the 'Verse.

IMHO, as a business woman I know that the happier I am with the parts house that I buy parts from, the more likely I am to buy new parts they introduce me to as well as buying parts they've revamped or improved upon. Savvy? ( sorry, it's one of my favorite words from Captain Jack...)

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:03 PM

Oh grow a sense of humor, willya.

YOU never mentally yanked someones chain to see how they'd take it ?
Please.

Although the very best response I ever got was an Amway exec once..
"I'll give you points on presentation and dramatic effect, but the eye twitch thing is just overkill, you're trying too hard here, son."

I bought that guy a drink when we got done laughing about it.

-F

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Oh grow a sense of humor, willya.

YOU never mentally yanked someones chain to see how they'd take it ?
Please.

Although the very best response I ever got was an Amway exec once..
"I'll give you points on presentation and dramatic effect, but the eye twitch thing is just overkill, you're trying too hard here, son."

I bought that guy a drink when we got done laughing about it.

-F

Nope, sorry I haven't. It's not in my nature.
I think I take the chances of Fox doing something for us eventually much too seriously to have been comfortable with "yanking" this guy's chain. And apparently more FF/S is important enough to me to warrant caution if I were to meet a Fox exec.

I'd add something else too. Browncoats have a terrible reputation for being fanatical assholes upon occasion. Whatever happened to deserve it preceded me, but we have it nonetheless. I'd like to see that reputation changed.

I don't lack a sense of humor either. Else I'd not get Firefly at all.

ETA: This is business. I don't "yank" chains when I'm conducting business I want to win at.

GOSSI

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:12 PM

This rant an exec was so ill advised for many reasons.

Point 1 - the FOX development people, Joss is currently working for.

Point 2 - the FOX development execs have changed between 2002 and 2008. This guy had nothing to do with Firefly.

Point 3 - If you want more Firefly, the people who have the power to do it - the ones with the money and the legal rights to the property - are 20th Century Fox.

VERTIGO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
I was in the Charlotte airport a few days ago. I was at the bar sitting next to an older businessman, and made a comment about what was on the news(Fox). He commented he works for Fox. I was like "right" "OK", "whatever", and "I'm with NASA". He produced his business card. His title was senior developement something, if I recall. I gave it back to him, and asked how things were going. He stated alright. I commented that I no longer watch Fox over the Firefly debacle. His demeanor changed, and stated that wasn't Fox's fault. He said the Fox cancelled the show over ratings. I countered it was Fox who aired it out of order, preempted by baseball, 9 episodes, bad time slot, etc. I then stated I knew that Fox "deep-sixed" Firefly from the moment they aired it. Every Browncoat knows the details. I stated that Fox has made nothing but garbage since, and I was behind Joss 100%. He got upset, and said "excuse me", and moved down the bar. TAKE THAT FOX! BROWNCOATS ARE EVERYWHERE.

"They're whores"..."I'm in"!

you sir, are a genius!

Shiny.

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FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Vertigo:
you sir, are a genius!

Shiny.

I'd like to suggest a self questioning session if you will?

Suppose the exec was on his way to meet with higher up execs after a particularly grand meeting with Joss and his feelings were pretty good about anything Joss did. Suppose he had the opportunity to recommend that Fox execs higher up than he pay attention to Joss' stuff, even former stuff. That that way might lie money and good ratings. But he was accosted at the airport by someone who made him feel exactly the opposite about Joss and Joss' fans and stuff and that now his feelings had totally changed. In fact, he felt like recommending that Fox not even pursue much with Joss because his fans were intimidating, ill-informed and pushy. Therefore any discussions about reviving Firefly would be off the table permanently. Would you still consider him a genius?

I'm not saying that this is so... it's likely not at all. But what if it were?

Each one of us speaks for the larger whole and represents us all.
Is this what we want seen and heard? Really?
Do we want our chances improved or harmed?

VERTIGO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:31 PM

Alright, i get the picture.
i just found it amusing.

Shiny.

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MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:32 PM

Thank you, FollowMal. I wanted to say pretty much exactly what you have, but couldn't get the words together.

I hate Fox as much as anyone, but being antagonistic to a guy trying to have a quiet beer will get us one thing - enemies. This fandom needs friends. What an opportunity this might have been to get a Fox exec to think well of us Browncoats.

*sigh*

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GOSSI

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:36 PM

Mal4Prez, is that Nathan playing Alan's guitar? Where on earth did you get that from?

And yes. If anybody else from here happens to run into a Fox exec, here's what might be a good thing to say - that you loved Firefly, that you own the DVD, and that you'd love more.

I'm serious. That would do more good than anybody here can possibly imagine.

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:41 PM

*sigh* Yes, opportunity missed.

Does anyone remember the scene in "The Big Red One", after the crew of soldiers we're "with" in the movie have shot the German soldier and then they hear that the war is over? What does their beloved sergeant do but order them to help him keep the guy alive!

Yup, I hate Fox too...but it's time to look at it the way it is. Fox canceled Firefly because the ratings weren't what they wanted. Since they paid Joss and company to make it and they owned the rights to it, that was their prerogative. If Joss could go back and work for Fox, I can give them my support and viewership and hope that encourages them to do more stuff with Joss. More stuff with Joss is good in it's own right... if it leads to more FF, I'll be a really happy Browncoat!

Since I can't have that yet....
Mal4Prez-I shall ogle your avatar instead.
Very nice.

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:

I hate Fox as much as anyone, but being antagonistic to a guy trying to have a quiet beer will get us one thing - enemies. This fandom needs friends. What an opportunity this might have been to get a Fox exec to think well of us Browncoats.

*sigh*

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I love Fox, they gave us Firefly. I hate what some at Fox did five or six years ago in their handling of Firefly.

Bottom line, Fox is a business. At the time there was not sufficient interest in keeping Firefly on the air and the poor ratings reflected that. Today just might be a different story. It is best to keep that in mind when dealing with the folks that might see fit to give Joss another go at the 'Verse. (The last was not directed at you but the others who thought it all manner of hi-larious to lose friends and alienate people who might help us in our cause. Always remember, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.)

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gossi:
Mal4Prez, is that Nathan playing Alan's guitar? Where on earth did you get that from?

Yep - Nathan playing Alan's guitar after the Mutant Enemy strike day last December, taken by a fan trying not to be stalkerish but doing it anyway. By which I mean me LOL!

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MIRAMEL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:50 PM

Just gonna think out loud (er... out written?) for a minute here. As seen above, my initial reaction to this story was "right on!", but on consideration, followmal certainly raises a relevant point.

But I ask- would one random fan spewing praise really do that much good? They know we're here, they know we're fanatical and that we want more. Sure, they arguably don't know it well, as evidenced by the lack of continuation, but surely one random friendly fan wouldn't tip the scales.

On the same level, how much 'damage' would such an outburst do? Thing is, it gets the "we're here, pay attention to us" message across just as well as being friendly, maybe more- sure, it pisses them off, but are they more likely to make decisions based on a vague resentment over a rude fan, or based on what brings in the coin? I’m thinking the second. The outburst maybe didn't help, but i would be skeptical that it did much damage, either. And god knows it must have felt good :)

So I guess what I’m getting at is, what sort of fans are we? Sure, I would argue that for the most part we're polite, reasonable folk, and that taking a polite view is maybe the best way to get things done; but does that mean that when confronted with, ah, "the enemy", we just roll over complacently and hope that if we smile prettily enough someone'll throw us a scrap? Just doesn't seem right to me.

EDIT: also, it seems like the guy got awfully defensive. If he wasn't involved with the decision, why not say "yeah, that was handled horribly, I sure wish I’d been involved!" Granted I have no idea how such things work, and maybe there's some sort of Thou Shall Not Speak Ill Of Fox rule or something, (or maybe it's the more widely used those-in-power-shall-not-admit-mistakes rule...) but it seams like he coulda been more endearing too. Why mention that you're from fox just to sound off about your own perfection?

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
taken by a fan trying not to be stalkerish but doing it anyway.

Whoa. Good stalkin'!

Chrisisall

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Miramel:
But I ask- would one random fan spewing praise really do that much good? ... On the same level, how much 'damage' would such an outburst do?

It's been my experience that opportunies arise out friendly relationships, not confrontational ones. I think this is especially true in Hollywood, where getting a part, getting your script read, etc, is all about knowing the right people, and having those people think highly of you.

Quote:
EDIT: also, it seems like the guy got awfully defensive.

Well... when I'm stuck in an airport trying to have a quiet beer, the last thing I want is to defend myself to a stranger getting in my face with accusations.

The exec surely was an idiot to pull the "it's the show's fault the ratings sucked..." line. But here's where a friendly tone, careful words, and maybe a few more beers might have led to enlightenment rather than frigid silence. Maybe the guy's been brainwashed to not know better, to think us fanatics have created excuses for the show's demise. Friendly conversation might have made him consider otherwise, rather than dismissing us even more than he had already.

Chrisisall - I do stalk well, huh?

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MIRAMEL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:20 PM

fair enough, you've convinced me.

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SIMONF

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:06 PM

FollowMal = the voice of reason.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:

Chrisisall - I do stalk well, huh?

Yes, very unobtrusive.
I once took a picture of Marina Sirtis at a NY convention, she was signing autographs, and I had to hold the camera high to frame her, but she thought I was trying to get a severe cleavage shot (which I did, but that was not my intention- I swear!!), and she called me a little perv...

Bad stalker Chrisisall

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I once took a picture of Marina Sirtis at a NY convention, she was signing autographs, and I had to hold the camera high to frame her, but she thought I was trying to get a severe cleavage shot (which I did, but that was not my intention- I swear!!), and she called me a little perv...

Photographic Freudian slip?

You're a bad, bad boyisall.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:

You're a bad, bad boyisall.

What's the big deal? She's been NAKED in movies...(she did say it with a smile on her face though

)

Unintentionally perverted Chrisisall

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
Quote:
Originally posted by Vertigo:
you sir, are a genius!

Shiny.

I'd like to suggest a self questioning session if you will?

Suppose the exec was on his way to meet with higher up execs after a particularly grand meeting with Joss and his feelings were pretty good about anything Joss did. Suppose he had the opportunity to recommend that Fox execs higher up than he pay attention to Joss' stuff, even former stuff. That that way might lie money and good ratings. But he was accosted at the airport by someone who made him feel exactly the opposite about Joss and Joss' fans and stuff and that now his feelings had totally changed. In fact, he felt like recommending that Fox not even pursue much with Joss because his fans were intimidating, ill-informed and pushy. Therefore any discussions about reviving Firefly would be off the table permanently. Would you still consider him a genius?

I'm not saying that this is so... it's likely not at all. But what if it were?

Each one of us speaks for the larger whole and represents us all.
Is this what we want seen and heard? Really?
Do we want our chances improved or harmed?

I was there you were not. I'm an active duty COMBAT VET! and a Firefly fanatic. I play no PC "Bovine Scatology" with ANYBODY! This guy tried to impress me that he was somebody. I put him in his place, and feel it was the right thing to do. Should I have like some have suggested beg at his feet to bring Firefly back? PLEASE! Somebody has to stand for their beliefs. I haven't watched Fox, Fox News, went to a 20th Century Fox movie. So put your money where your mouth is Pal! TV and movies are driven by money. Not platitudes, pandering and arse kissing! Oh and numb-nutz I was not "pushy or ill-informed". I DID NOT ACCOST HIM EITHER. I told him in a calm voice I was displeased at his companies actions.
Did you read my post?
Frankly FollowMal, your a boob and you need some testicular fortitude enhancement!(I wanted to type something else)

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:01 PM

It's people like you who give browncoats a bad name.

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:03 PM

You like FOLLOWMAL didn't read what I typed. You formed a fantasy in your tiny brains what happenned. Read my response to that ill-informed boob. I told him in a calm voice my displeasure with Fox. If i accosted him I probably would have been arrested. Which didn't happen. Take off Hoser!

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:05 PM

BOOKREADER
Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:01

His Quote: It's people like you who give browncoats a bad name.

Hey get over it. Obviously you have no life outside a TV show? Browncoats a bad name? Its fiction hello? Did you join the independents? No, because it's Science FICTION. You have gotten wrap up in someones creation. Can I say Jonestown? The doomesday cult? Be a fan not a fanatic! You have taken a love of a TV show to a possible addiction? Am I right? Bet you own a stormtrooper costume too? Seriously some of you people in here need jobs, hobbies or professional help! Jeez! Get over it!

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
I was there you were not. I'm an active duty COMBAT VET! and a Firefly fanatic. I play no PC "Bovine Scatology" with ANYBODY! This guy tried to impress me that he was somebody. I put him in his place, and feel it was the right thing to do.

As you say, you were there, I was not. I would not have handled this situation as you did. This is a discussion board, I can say what I think about your actions since you posted them publicly. You be satisfied with your actions, I'll be bothered by them. Ok?

By the by, I have the utmost respect for vets and would like to say thank you for your service.

Quote:

Should I have like some have suggested beg at his feet to bring Firefly back? PLEASE! Somebody has to stand for their beliefs.

I nor anyone else here suggested anyone beg for more Firefly/Serenity. That wouldn't work either.
But I would have told the guy about our fandom and it's charity work and that we're hoping for more and looking forward to what Joss is going to do with them. I would have told him I owned the DVD's, was planning on buying the Blu-Ray version and hoped they'd give us more. I would have charmed him with my long eyelashes and hoped he'd have said... yeah... we're interested in doing more FF with Joss, because the DVD's sell so very well! My belief is that antagonizing anyone and making them feel uncomfortable will not gain you a friend, but being a friendly person just might.
That's not begging or giving up your beliefs, that's being a friendly person, that's all.

Quote:

I haven't watched Fox, Fox News, went to a 20th Century Fox movie.

I am not a fan of Fox News nor of the news right now, lol. So I can join you on that one, but I do watch Fox ( Bones is great! and New Amsterdam is interesting! ) and I go to movies made by 20th Century Fox. I also watch my Firefly DVD's and they were put out by 20th Century Fox too, bless 'em!

Quote:

So put your money where your mouth is Pal! TV and movies are driven by money. Not platitudes, pandering and arse kissing!

I do put my money where my mouth is, I buy FF/S DVD's and share them with family, friends, libraries, nursing homes, women's shelters, and fire stations all the time. I have since I've arrived before the movie was released. I've campaigned and guerrilla marketed hard for more of FF/S too and continue to be active in and give to Browncoat charities. No platitudes from me, nor pandering nor arse kissing... not for you either.
I just do what I feel is right and say what I feel is right.

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FollowMal:
Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
I was there you were not. I'm an active duty COMBAT VET! and a Firefly fanatic. I play no PC "Bovine Scatology" with ANYBODY! This guy tried to impress me that he was somebody. I put him in his place, and feel it was the right thing to do.

As you say, you were there, I was not. I would not have handled this situation as you did. This is a discussion board, I can say what I think about your actions since you posted them publicly. You be satisfied with your actions, I'll be bothered by them. Ok?

By the by, I have the utmost respect for vets and would like to say thank you for your service.

Quote:

Should I have like some have suggested beg at his feet to bring Firefly back? PLEASE! Somebody has to stand for their beliefs.

I nor anyone else here suggested anyone beg for more Firefly/Serenity. That wouldn't work either.
But I would have told the guy about our fandom and it's charity work and that we're hoping for more and looking forward to what Joss is going to do with them. I would have told him I owned the DVD's, was planning on buying the Blu-Ray version and hoped they'd give us more. I would have charmed him with my long eyelashes and hoped he'd have said... yeah... we're interested in doing more FF with Joss, because the DVD's sell so very well! My belief is that antagonizing anyone and making them feel uncomfortable will not gain you a friend, but being a friendly person just might.
That's not begging or giving up your beliefs, that's being a friendly person, that's all.

Quote:

I haven't watched Fox, Fox News, went to a 20th Century Fox movie.

I am not a fan of Fox News nor of the news right now, lol. So I can join you on that one, but I do watch Fox ( Bones is great! and New Amsterdam is interesting! ) and I go to movies made by 20th Century Fox. I also watch my Firefly DVD's and they were put out be 20th Century Fox too, bless 'em!

Quote:

So put your money where your mouth is Pal! TV and movies are driven by money. Not platitudes, pandering and arse kissing!

I do put my money where my mouth is, I buy FF/S DVD's and share them with family, friends, libraries, nursing homes, women's shelters, and fire stations all the time. I have since I've arrived before the movie was released. I've campaigned and guerrilla marketed hard for more of FF/S too and continue to be active in and give to Browncoat charities. No platitudes from me, nor pandering nor arse kissing... not for you either.
I just do what I feel is right and say what I feel is right.

FOLLOWMAL,
Just so you know after reading your response I agree with you. apologies. he stated who he was. I stated what I liked and showed displeasure with what his company did. I did not beliitle a total stranger. He was a nice guy, who tried to awe me with his credentials, which happenned to be FOX. Bad timing on his part. Oops sat next to a Firefly fan, darn! He moved after I told him I have basically boycotted Fox. He moved I didn't force him to. Hope we can still be browncoats together. No hard feelings just got out of hand defending myself. Hope you understand. Take care.
Paul

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
BOOKREADER
Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:01

His Quote: It's people like you who give browncoats a bad name.

Hey get over it. Obviously you have no life outside a TV show? Browncoats a bad name? Its fiction hello? Did you join the independents? No because it's Science FICTION. You have taken a love of a TV show to a posible addiction? Am I right? Bet you own a stormtrooper costume too? Seriously some of you people in here need jobs, hobbies or professional help! Jeez! Get over it!

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

This would be amusing if it weren't so sad. Next time you feel the need to chime in for browncoats everywhere, please don't.

As far taking things too far, I'm not the one claiming to be the 'biggest damn hero'. Egotistical much?

BIGGESTDAMNHERO

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BookReader:
Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
BOOKREADER
Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:01

His Quote: It's people like you who give browncoats a bad name.

Hey get over it. Obviously you have no life outside a TV show? Browncoats a bad name? Its fiction hello? Did you join the independents? No because it's Science FICTION. You have taken a love of a TV show to a posible addiction? Am I right? Bet you own a stormtrooper costume too? Seriously some of you people in here need jobs, hobbies or professional help! Jeez! Get over it!

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

This would be amusing if it weren't so sad. Next time you feel the need to chime in for browncoats everywhere, please don't.

As far taking things too far, I'm not the one claiming to be the 'biggest damn hero'. Egotistical much?

Because bigdamnhero was taken. Don't worry I won't because if the rest of the fans are like you. I'm glad it didn't do as well as it did. Keep the numbers like you down to a minimum

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by biggestdamnhero:
Frankly FollowMal, your a boob and you need some testicular fortitude enhancement!(I wanted to type something else)

You formed a fantasy in your tiny brains what happenned.

Hey get over it. Obviously you have no life outside a TV show?

My apologies! Clearly you're not a person to be "antagonistic" or use a "confrontational" tone - an impression I somehow formed after reading your initial post. Alas, I was so wrong!

Now that I've heard more from you, I feel nothing but warm and safe and comfy chatting with you, and I'll listen to any and all of your suggestions with eager, joyous enthusiam. What's more, I know I can share my own thoughts without fear of belligerent, petulant replies. Yay! What a lovey fandom! Why doesn't everyone join!?!

(I know, sarcasm is horrible and I should be buried in a shallow grave... I guess I have much in common with you BDH - it felt good so I just had to say it LOL!)

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:33 PM

Due, seriously, you have no idea how much damage you could have done to the chances of us getting any more Firefly from Fox. Fox owns the rights. Joss is going back to work with Fox. You ripped someone from Fox that works in development, someone that one day may be sitting across the table from Joss. Hopefully if that day ever comes, he will have forgotten all about you and your little diatribe. This guy in all likelihood didn't even work at Fox six years ago. I know none of this matters because you got to play alpha male and mark your territory. You could have been nice, but that seems to be out of character. Too bad, you could have made a friend, but instead you chose to be belligerent. There have been a lot of people behind the scenes trying to build up some good will between Fox and Joss. Hopefully you didn't screw things up too badly.

It's truly shocking to see how many people think it is a good idea to irritate the very people who may have the say in bringing the show back in some form or another.

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:40 PM

One of you is gonna fall and die and I'm not cleaning it up.

I think we can all chill a little, there's obviously some shenanigans afoot. But a surprisingly good discussion came from it....

Suspicious Chrisisall

BOOKREADER

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
One of you is gonna fall and die and I'm not cleaning it up.

Suspicious Chrisisall

HA!

Sorry, I cannot abide people whose egos and stupidity threatens our chances of getting more Firefly.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:53 PM

I am afraid I have to go along with FM on this one.

As always!

eta - sounds like we need a little milk and cookies in this here thread!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BiggestDamnHero:
Frankly FollowMal, your a boob and you need some testicular fortitude enhancement!(I wanted to type something else)

You formed a fantasy in your tiny brains what happenned.

Hey get over it. Obviously you have no life outside a TV show?

Quote:
Originally posted by BiggestDamnHero:

FOLLOWMAL,
Just so you know after reading your response I agree with you. apologies. he stated who he was. I stated what I liked and showed displeasure with what his company did. I did not beliitle a total stranger. He was a nice guy, who tried to awe me with his credentials, which happenned to be FOX. Bad timing on his part. Oops sat next to a Firefly fan, darn! He moved after I told him I have basically boycotted Fox. He moved I didn't force him to. Hope we can still be browncoats together. No hard feelings just got out of hand defending myself. Hope you understand. Take care.
Paul

Paul, I'm not sure which of these posts to address, but I have to say my need to "chill" as Chris says ( hey, he said he wouldn't clean it up! ) inspires me to say one thing in humor to the first one and then answer the second one and then finish with a comment.

I don't have testicles, I'm a she. I don't usually gender differentiate, don't find it necessary, except this thought is humorous to me today for some reason and my employees would whistle and walk away and be worried for you.

Now on to what you said in reply to me...
thank you for that. I knew when I responded to this thread that what I had to say would likely make you feel attacked and I hoped good would come from it anyway. I wasn't attacking, just disagreeing and truly being bothered by the amount of people jumping on the f***k Fox bandwagon. That's dangerous for us now.
Nuff said.

There's lots of different ways to discuss things on a board, you can be sarcastic, caustic, trollish, kind, sincere and funny. I'm gonna go back to having fun now, having had my say. I hope you'll stick around, check out some Browncoat charities and groups and see what all we're doing, and I hope next time you meet up with a Fox exec you'll shake his hand heartily and thank him for FF and ask him for more sincerely.

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
One of you is gonna fall and die and I'm not cleaning it up.

I think we can all chill a little, there's obviously some shenanigans afoot. But a surprisingly good discussion came from it....

Suspicious Chrisisall

Shenanigans? I like shenanigans...

Dianeorneryisall

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
I am afraid I have to go along with FM on this one.

As always!

eta - sounds like we need a little milk and cookies in this here thread!

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Hey, since you're goin' along with me and all, can I have the Cap'n's 'coat back? I'll trade you this hat I got from Jayne, whatdya say?

ETA cookies...cuz we need 'em and because they are further inducement to give me back that gorramn 'coat!

ZEEK

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:06 PM

We're a diverse fandom. Not everyone is going to act the way you'd like. Personally if I meet a Fox exec I'll be taking the same action as BiggestDamnHero. I'm speaking my mind not trying to hide the way I really feel.

I also can't say that I really want to see more Firefly on Fox. They did enough the first time around. I'll take no Firefly over bad Firefly. I don't want the verse stained by a new series that gets manhandled by executives who think they know better than the producers. No thank you.

Do you really think Fox has changed so much since the days when Firefly was canceled? Drive got killed off pretty darn quickly if I recall. The Sarah Conner Chronicles barely survived and they have a huge established fanbase already.

I will be completely shocked if history doesn't repeat itself with Dollhouse. I'll be there to watch, but I think the best chance it has is to be another Tru Calling. Yay maybe we'll get half of a second season that doesn't even start to air before they decide to pull the plug.

RAYCHEETAH

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:17 PM

biggestdamnhero did something many of us (myself, especially!) have to be careful not to do:

He let out his inner Mal.

I understand completely the reflexive, gut reaction to his encounter with Mr. F*X Suit. I even cheered him on, mentally, as I read his anecdote. After all, Mal, his own self, tends to frequent Alliance bars on Unification day, and, he doesn't try to talk reason with the folks who cancelled his independence.

However, in the real world, we don't always have the option of indulging our inner BDH. My first thought was "This guy probably wasn't even in on the game of corporate musical chairs F*X plays, when Firefly was axed."

Granted, Mr. Suit still came up with the pat response, based either on what he thought he knew, or, a patronizing surmise, which earned him a sharp smack on the back of the brainpan. But, FollowMal was correct; this was an opportunity lost to present a better impression of the fandom to someone who might could influence an important decision, later.

I don't blame biggestdamnhero for what he did and said (except not keeping that business card). I do regret that he wasn't able to exploit the situation to OUR strategic advantage.

Hindsight is always 20/20. All this learning experience cost us was an opportunity lost. It may serve us all well in the future, should another such arise.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://fans4writers.com/ support the WGA writers strike

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

FOLLOWMAL

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Raycheetah:
Hindsight is always 20/20. All this learning experience cost us was an opportunity lost. It may serve us all well in the future, should another such arise.

-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
The enjoyment of any good thing is only enhanced by sharing it with others.

http://fans4writers.com/ support the WGA writers strike

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=30176

Hear hear!

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:32 PM

My Dearest Darling FollowMal-
Whilst I hold you in the higest affection and would follow you anywhere, I must regretfully decline your lovely invitation to trade my turnipy coat for your cunning hat. For you see, I can not be blamed if some dum dum gives me the wrong coat.....and the Captain does so love to watch me nekid pyre dance in nuthin but it.

Kisses and hugs

FMF

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

STARTROOP

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:53 PM

This has been an interesting rollercoaster ride. To tell the truth, if the guy is hanging around the airport bar and not the VIP lounge, it's likely that he is a middle manager in a cube farm with little to say about what Fox does.

TO be sure, when he got back to the mother ship, he'll a story to tell all the other middle managers about how life was unfair, he was just doing his job, etc....

The interesting thing is the excitement this caused. There is still a lot of fire and enthuiasm out in the Verse. Back in the day when I was a young Star Trek fan (TOS) and they cancelled that series for similar reasons, what brought back the movies (some good, some bad), spin off series and a whole bunch of conventions was that fire and excitement. Paramount figured out that there were a lot of intense people out there that wanted a product they could produce. They finally made a good decision.

We can follow that example. The initiator of this post handled it differently than I would have. I am glad he spoke up, other folks might have just let it pass. I hope I and others get the chance to speak up too. I hope Fox is smarter than Paramount and move quicker, but if not, we don't have to let it get us down. We'll out last them!

As one combat vet to another, first, thanks for serving. Secondly, remember that those that have served in combat see things with a different viewpoint. The one of the reasons we (or at least I) did it is so that differing viewpoints can be heard.

SPINEBITE

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:32 PM

Excellent job. You shoved a piece of the Browncoat mentality down F*X's throat. You should've kept the card, though, and posted the number on this site.

"Pain is scary."

TLACOOK

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:25 AM

Idiot.

AGATSU

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:32 AM

BiggestDamnHero, I salute your balls (wait, maybe I should rephrase that. Too late.), but I shake my head in disbelieve at your brains.
Every Browncoat represents us all, so it's better to make favorable impressions.
I'm not saying you should have kissed that guy's ass, but I AM saying that there was no need to take it out on a person that had nothing to do with FF's cancellation in the first place. He probably only knew very little about our beloved show, assumed it had been cancelled for low ratings because it obviously is the most likely reason, and then you went and jumped ass first at his unsuspecting face. I would have left in his place, too, but not in defeat, but because I'd have thought you were a nutcase who's taking out his rage for something I had nothing to do with whatsoever on me.
In your place, I probably would have told the man in a non-fanboyish fashion what a great show Firefly is, how the fanbase of Firefly has grown over the last few years despite its cancellation, how willing we are to spend money on ANYTHING Firefly, and that I just can't believe Fox could have cancelled a great show such as Firefly, and then I'd have asked him if he as an "insider" could imagine why they treated Firefly so badly. You know, draw him in, not scare him away.
I bet your ballsy behaviour led to some very negative water cooler discussions at the Fox office the next day - chit chat that could have aided our cause had you left a favorable impression, especially if you had gotten him interested with the question of why Fox treated the show so badly - he actually might have checked that out, even if only at the water cooler.
I'm all for sticking it to "the man", but I find that diplomacy works much better, and I don't take something out on someone had nothing to do with it. Chose wisely when to use your balls and when to use your brains.
I know for a fact that listening to my balls only gets me into trouble, even if there is some instant gratification in it.

To put it a fancy metaphoric-like way: We all love Jayne, but we sure as hell don't want him to do the talking for us.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Dude, you never wanna f*ck with a Browncoat, man." - Kevin Smith

BLUEREDGREEN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:35 AM

I certainly hope that comment was directed towards the FOX guy... we all love the person who hurts and offends FOX

Ching-wah TSAO duh liou mahng!

BOOKREADER

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tlacook:
Idiot.

And then some.

BOOKREADER

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Blueredgreen:
I certainly hope that comment was directed towards the FOX guy... we all love the person who hurts and offends FOX

Ching-wah TSAO duh liou mahng!

Does this include Joss Whedon? You do know he's going back to work with them, don't you?

MAL4PREZ

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:22 AM

OK, this reminds me of a guy I know who went to a pretentious annoying English University and had to sit through several pretentious annoying dinners with pretentious annoying people much like this Fox guy. For my friend, speaking his mind was not an option. His solution? He and his girlfriend would come up with some absurd phrase and spend the night trying to make the highbrow idiots say it. Like: it's really a shame about the rabbits and the trees.

Stuff like that makes it possible to be nice to someone who doesn't deserve it. You still get to have your fun.

And, who knows, it might have turned out that the exec was a nice guy who just needed warming up. Or even - maybe he was talking big to try to impress you because he thought you were cute. Airport bathroom stalls, you know.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

FOLLOWMAL

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
My Dearest Darling FollowMal-
Whilst I hold you in the higest affection and would follow you anywhere, I must regretfully decline your lovely invitation to trade my turnipy coat for your cunning hat. For you see, I can not be blamed if some dum dum gives me the wrong coat.....and the Captain does so love to watch me nekid pyre dance in nuthin but it.

Kisses and hugs

FMF

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

Damn! I had to try...

xxxooo back!!

TLACOOK

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:34 AM

It is totally directed at the unthinking fool who started this thread.

If you don't ever want more of the 'verse from the only folks who can actually give you more of it, keep up the antagonism.

Hopefully, this development guy will be generous and not paint the entire fandom with the brush of this obnoxious moron, but it isn't likely.

NCBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:00 AM

To think I missed this interesting thread while I was at work today. I think I need a mug of Mudder's Milk after getting through all this.

I have to agree with FM. I've known her a while and she's got a good head on her shoulders. When ever things get heated she's the cool rational one with the good idea. And she's a Firefly/Serenity guerilla marketer extraordinare.

Every customer service seminar I've been to says that every negative comment is talked about more than the good ones. And to maintain your cool even if you're seething inside. It's a very hard thing to do.

The F@!x guy may have been in middle management, pretentous and not there when Firefly was cancelled but things do have a way of traveling.

Just had to get my two cents in.

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:23 AM

Even if that guy did not work at Fox in 2002, he still would need to be delusional to think the decisions made then were to the best benefit of Fox and it's bottom line. If he is even willing to argue that Fox made the right decision, he is a complete backbirth.
Regarding the debate over tactics, I'm still on the fence.

ZEEK

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by tlacook:
It is totally directed at the unthinking fool who started this thread.

If you don't ever want more of the 'verse from the only folks who can actually give you more of it, keep up the antagonism.

Hopefully, this development guy will be generous and not paint the entire fandom with the brush of this obnoxious moron, but it isn't likely.

Yeah! It would be much better to paint the picture of a fandom who flames each other over differences of opinion and can't even be civil with each other. From now on you just tell everyone else what to do.

BOOKREADER

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:56 PM

Quote:
It would be much better to paint the picture of a fandom who flames each other over differences of opinion and can't even be civil with each other.

Do you think that civility should be extended to the people who have in their power to bring us more of the 'Verse? Or should we continue to piss them off, as TOP did?

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BookReader:
Do you think that civility should be extended to the people who have in their power to bring us more of the 'Verse? Or should we continue to piss them off, as TOP did?

Well that depends, doesn't it?

Do we want to be seen as a fandom that is worth the trouble of bringing us more of the 'verse (e.g. the Trekkies who have been significantly well fed in their genre), or do we want to be seen as uncouth rabble-rousers who can't seem to get past a five-year-old-tantrum-in-the-supermarket mentality?

What I can't believe is that it's been five years and we're still having this discussion.

Doing the impossible makes us mighty
Minnesota Browncoats
http://www.mnfirefly.com/portal/html/index.php

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:13 PM

*FMF strolls into the thread pushing her milk and cookie cart before her*

I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"

FORSAKEN original

CHANNAIN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:20 PM

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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
*FMF strolls into the thread pushing her milk and cookie cart before her*

COOKIES!!!

Good feeling is back.

Doing the impossible makes us mighty
Minnesota Browncoats
http://www.mnfirefly.com/portal/html/index.php

ZEEK

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by BookReader:
Does this include Joss Whedon? You do know he's going back to work with them, don't you?

You realize he's doing that for Eliza Dusku right?

She has a contract with Fox and if he wants to work with her than he has to work with them too. Last I heard he also had a contract with Fox studios. I'm not sure if that expired or not yet, but it's possible he's still acting under that contract. I'm sure they give Fox network first dibs on anything they produce. So, it's not so much that Joss has forgiven Fox network. It's more that he wants to come back to television. He wants to work with talent. Fox is smart enough to sign contracts with talent.

I think we also need to make a distinction here. Fox studios are not bad people. It's the execs at the Fox network that have been consistently horrible. There may be different people in the offices but the decisions have still been just as bad. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me every couple years cause I think this show will be treated differently shame on me.

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Originally posted by BookReader:
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It would be much better to paint the picture of a fandom who flames each other over differences of opinion and can't even be civil with each other.

Do you think that civility should be extended to the people who have in their power to bring us more of the 'Verse? Or should we continue to piss them off, as TOP did?

Well that depends doesn't it? Do they work for Fox or do they work for a network who might give more of the verse an actual chance?

I'm all for telling Universal employees how great they are for how well that company treated Joss and the Browncoats. I'm not about to be a complete sell out just for a hope that maybe if everything fell exactly into place my being a sell out might possibly kinda maybe positively effect Firefly's chances to come back.

BOOKREADER

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Joss working with Fox is Joss working with Fox, regardless of how it happened. Fox owns the rights to Firefly and nobody else. Call me crazy, but fans actively doing what they can to piss off the people who own the property isn't the brightest idea floating around. Maybe Fox will see the error of their ways and give it another shot. Probably not. But if we antagonize them at every opportunity they sure as hell won't.

Universal Studios will never make another Serenity movie. Never. What slim-to-none chance we had at that went out the door with Mary Parent when she went to Paramount. And how Universal marketed Serenity is pretty much criminal.

UniversalHD will continue to show reruns of the series, but they don't own the rights to the show. Fox does.

TDBROWN

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:04 PM

Very interesting thread.

Those who remember me (Yes, I've been silent on this Site for quite a while) can probably guess that I agree with FollowMal and the others who echoed the same sentiment. This was a lost opportunity, IMO, but blustering and arguing about it accomplishes nothing.

Here's hoping that reason and tact prevails if a similar situation arises.

"Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one." -Mal

BOOKREADER

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:17 PM

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This was a lost opportunity, IMO, but blustering and arguing about it accomplishes nothing.

Here's hoping that reason and tact prevails if a similar situation arises.

That's pretty much the only reason I'm going on about this. Should someone else bump into someone who works at Fox --- like someone on this board, for instance

--- they might want to think about making friends instead of burning bridges.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4:34 PM

Somewhere out there are probably folks who are still pissed off that I Love Lucy was cancelled. As a Browncoat I would definitely NOT want to be associated with a group of people that has a general reputation for being either hostile or cultish. We don't have THAT reputation...yet...but if more folks behaved so rudely as in this incident, we would be stuck with that label forever. Remember what Shatner said while spoofing ST Fandom..." Get a life! "....People like Joss or Nathan would never say that.....now....but if our quiet and personal longings for more Firefly ever cross the line between mature behavior and boorish fanatiscism, then our movement will be over.

KADOOGAN

Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:05 PM

Nice one. That's one Fox employee who will now think Firefly fans are rude and obnoxious a**holes.

The people responsible for the cancellation have all left Fox since it happened anyway, so why be rude to someone who wasn't responsible?

Joss and Tim Minear were the ones who changed the running order of the show, not Fox. You don't even know what the hell you were talking about before being an a**hole!

If there was any remaining chance of anything coming back based on the Firefly 'verse (remote at best), it's behaviour like this that will get those plans shelved.

Grow up. That goes for everyone that is high-fiving 'biggestdamnhero' over this. It's s**t like this that makes the sensible majority of the Firefly fans look bad.

FOLLOWMAL

Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kadoogan:
Joss and Tim Minear were the ones who changed the running order of the show, not Fox. You don't even know what the hell you were talking about before being an a**hole!

This is one of the "myths" of the fandom that has been perpetuated since the beginning. I remember when I first arrived I believed that the eps were reordered by Fox, that the movie was greenlit because the fandom brought it about ( the movie was greenlit before the sales of the Firefly DVD's made any difference, so fan action didn't bring it about ), our "done the impossible" mentality has been repeated over and over again until it's legend has grown beyond what people know to be fact.

This has concerned me a lot lately. I've read all over the 'Verse the truth about these things, yet I don't see anyone putting it in print where all the fans can have that knowledge too. I've wanted to say it, but feared backlash over it as well.
How do you say these truths, that negate so very much about what this fandom thinks it did?

I think it's much better to work from a center of true knowledge in a quest for anything. If you want more Firefly/Serenity it's important to know what's been done ( lots and lots and most of it didn't work ) and what is the truth about what did work. Then you can think of new things that no one has ever thought of before or tried. You also are armed with the knowledge necessary not to make the mistake of pissing off a Fox employee who might have gotten a different opinion. You will think of things that are positive for the fandom knowing what has gone before and what our reputation is.

Knowing these truths does not negate the fact that the DVD's of both Firefly and Serenity sell like hotcakes. That fan action is of utmost benefit. In fact it's the language the folks who can give us more understand the best.

Another plus side fan action is the CSTS screenings- which both do good works and quietly position us for more. Any and all Browncoat charities benefit both us and others. Local groups and our shindigs and get togethers keep us a connected and caring community.

There's lots of things we can do and lots of ways we can be. Positive action will get us more than negative action.

ETA for clarification:

To the best of my knowledge from facts I've gleaned from reading posts by Browncoats here at the beginning and a few "inside the business" Browncoats ( please don't mistake that I have first hand knowledge of this ) although the movie was greenlit and fans didn't have any more to do with getting Serenity than Joss or Mary Parent it was fan action that promoted the movie when Uni didn't do exactly a stellar job of that ( Uni requested that the fans help viral market the movie ) and it was the fans who bought ( in record #'s ) and spread the word of the Firefly DVD's thus encouraging Uni that they'd certainly made the right decision re: Serenity. I don't want to in any way diminish what the fans did do.

RAYCHEETAH

Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by FollowMal:
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Originally posted by Kadoogan:
Joss and Tim Minear were the ones who changed the running order of the show, not Fox. You don't even know what the hell you were talking about before being an a**hole!

This is one of the "myths" of the fandom that has been perpetuated since the beginning. I remember when I first arrived I believed that the eps were reordered by Fox, that the movie was greenlit because the fandom brought it about ( the movie was greenlit before the sales of the Firefly DVD's made any difference, so fan action didn't bring it about ), our "done the impossible" mentality has been repeated over and over again until it's legend has grown beyond what people know to be fact.

This has concerned me a lot lately. I've read all over the 'Verse the truth about these things, yet I don't see anyone putting it in print where all the fans can have that knowledge too. I've wanted to say it, but feared backlash over it as well.
How do you say these truths, that negate so very much about what this fandom thinks it did?

I think it's much better to work from a center of true knowledge in a quest for anything. If you want more Firefly/Serenity it's important to know what's been done ( lots and lots and most of it didn't work ) and what is the truth about what did work. Then you can think of new things that no one has ever thought of before or tried. You also are armed with the knowledge necessary not to make the mistake of pissing off a Fox employee who might have gotten a different opinion. You will think of things that are positive for the fandom knowing what has gone before and what our reputation is.

Knowing these truths does not negate the fact that the DVD's of both Firefly and Serenity sell like hotcakes. That fan action is of utmost benefit. In fact it's the language the folks who can give us more understand the best.

Another plus side fan action is the CSTS screenings- which both do good works and quietly position us for more. Any and all Browncoat charities benefit both us and others. Local groups and our shindigs and get togethers keep us a connected and caring community.

There's lots of things we can do and lots of ways we can be. Positive action will get us more than negative action.

ETA for clarification:

To the best of my knowledge from facts I've gleaned from reading posts by Browncoats here at the beginning and a few "inside the business" Browncoats ( please don't mistake that I have first hand knowledge of this ) although the movie was greenlit and fans didn't have any more to do with getting Serenity than Joss or Mary Parent it was fan action that promoted the movie when Uni didn't do exactly a stellar job of that ( Uni requested that the fans help viral market the movie ) and it was the fans who bought ( in record #'s ) and spread the word of the Firefly DVD's thus encouraging Uni that they'd certainly made the right decision re: Serenity. I don't want to in any way diminish what the fans did do.

To quote Mal... "Huh."

That's rather a major shift to my own worldview, FM. I certainly appreciate knowing the truth of the thing, even if it's not the "truth" I've clung to, for so long. Do we have any citations or other documentation of these statements? Not that I don't trust your word, far from it! I would just like to be able to point other folks in the correct direction, should it come up.

And, just to make sure I understand what your saying VERY clearly: Joss and Tim caused the episodes to air out of order? The BDM was greenlit before we fans had time to do anything to influence that decision?

'Cause, I know you're taking a big chance, saying that, and, if I don't want to be burned as a witch for repeating that, I want to be able to back up the truth with some proof.

Still, what we Browncoats believe about ourselves is powerful and important to who we are and what we do, sort of like the folklore that drives a nation. It may not be truthsome, but, it

TALIE

Thursday, April 17, 2008 3:34 PM

I just double checked because I thought my brain must be missing.... but on the commentary for The Train Job - Joss says this at the beginning (may be missing a word here or there - I type fast but not THAT fast)..

The pilot was not aired until the very end of the series and Fox came to us and said hey we want an idea for a new show what if we aired something else first. And then on Friday afternoon, they called us and said Ok, Joss and Tim, we want a script by Monday and it has to be on our desks before we get in in the morning. So we had exactly two days to write an entire show... that introduced 9 characters who had very complicated lives and relationships..

Tim and Joss refer to "they" whenever they bring up the "aired it first" topic - if it was their decision surely they would have been saying "we"?

SO...according to Joss himself - FOX DID ask for a new ep to be aired before the pilot - not Joss. They also gave them next to no time to write it.

And I'm only going by what I heard here - but weren't the epsiodes also broken up because of something else being on tv - so they weren't on consistently every week - and was there a possible time change in there as well that contributed to the problem?

Just trying to get all the facts lined up here... not trying to argue with anyone. This is the first I've ever heard anyone say it was Joss' idea to air the eps out of order...

DIGIFICWRITER

Friday, April 18, 2008 12:28 AM

I think a whole lot of you guys are missing one crucial point. This guy didn't just hurt whatever chance might still exist of getting more from the 'Verse, he may have also damaged Joss's standing with the network as a whole, which could lead to really bad consequences for 'Dollhouse', although since Eliza's helping to produce the series, I think the network is going to be less 'trigger-happy' as it were when it comes to the series, especially since they already demonstrated their faith in her, Joss, and the concept by ordering 7 eps based on a * pitch *.

Check out the continuing adventures of the Big Damn Heroes of Joss Whedon's Firefly in [url= http://www.stillflying.net]Virtual Firefly: Here's How It Might Have Been[/url]

CALDAR22

Friday, April 18, 2008 1:14 AM

Well Done......

FAITHLOVESPURPLE

Friday, April 18, 2008 5:37 AM

Honestly, if Fox became severely butthurt because of ONE guy, then they're idiots to begin with and probably too fickle to deal with anyway. Sure, honey is better than...whatever the metaphor is--lemon?--but whatever. Just learn from his incident and give Fox execs more honey to compensate. We don't need to hang this guy or anything, geez louise. He didn't doom us all. No ONE person is gonna ruin our chances except unless joss says "No more."

Just gonna say this, since it seems almost unfair that people are jumping all over him. We weren't there--he was. We don't know how he was (whether he was as rude as you guys think or if he just spoke his mind and the guy over-reacted), nor can we assume that someone's *posting* behavior on the internet equates to his behavior in the real world. Yes, he probably deserved some scolding for badmouthing FM or our fandom in general, but when we start name calling him (calling him an idiot) we're just lowering ourselves. I mean, really? I thought we were better than that--we ain't five years old! Let it go :)

What's done is done--we can't change that by getting all...bendy. Can't we all just get along? :)

--Faith

"I can't get it right...get it right...since I met you."

DIGIFICWRITER

Friday, April 18, 2008 1:40 PM

In my opinion, there's no justification for being a jack*ss, and especially not towards a complete stranger who unfortunately works for a network that screwed over a large and very passionate group of fans (us Browncoats). What this guy did gives all Browncoats - and fans of any TV series/production in general - a bad name, and, in this case, it not only hurts the chance of FF coming back, it also could possibly hurt Joss's current project (like I already said).

Check out the continuing adventures of the Big Damn Heroes of Joss Whedon's Firefly in [url= http://www.stillflying.net]Virtual Firefly: Here's How It Might Have Been[/url]

FOLLOWMAL

Friday, April 18, 2008 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by FaithLovesPurple:
Yes, he probably deserved some scolding for badmouthing FM or our fandom in general, but when we start name calling him (calling him an idiot) we're just lowering ourselves.

He can badmouth me, FLP...this is a public board and I stated my opinion just like he did. He and I seemed to come to an understanding of where we both stood. :-) I left the conversation satisfied I'd said my piece and he had said his. When he posted what he did, he invited approval I'd wager. He may have even thought he'd get only approval... but some of us disagreed with him. That's the way of discussions.

I don't approve of name calling either or of saying mean things to each other. I think conversation that explores the sides everyone brings to the table is better. :-)

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