Starship Troopers III

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TANKOBITE

Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:00 PM

http://io9.com/360061/starship-troopers-iii-actually-based-on-heinlein
-novel-this-time

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Starship Troopers III Actually Based On Heinlein Novel This Time

Words can't describe how depressed I am now. What dirty liars!

And here's the proof that they're lying to me.

http://io9.com/361156/starship-troopers-3-trailer-shows-superbugs-in-a
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Dammit, why do they have to keep killing my favorite book?
Edit for screwing up the linking (new to this kind of forum)
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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

STARTROOP

Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:28 PM

They (I am speaking of the producers here) keep killing the book because the ideology it puts forth is outside their world view. Anything militaristic is bad, requiring a voting franchise to be earned scares them, and the concept that we are the "good guys" strikes them as hubris.

Granted we have made some bad calls as a nation (The blame is heavy on both sides of the political fence), but I believe anyway that most folks are trying to be the "good guys".

But then what do I know ;-)

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:51 PM

Stone me if ya want, but I'll get it- but then, I never read the novel...

Citizen Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:16 PM

Go read it Chris, its a classic

Seen the first movie gagged and walked away.

But love the book.

The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

TANKOBITE

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:41 PM

I remember watching a commercial and being afraid of the movie. I was 3rd Grade about the time, but my Dad had heard good things so we spent the month leading up to it reading the book together...and they took me to see it when it came out.

Huge WTF moment; Dizzy Flores a guy

Select to view spoiler:

and not dying out of chapter one? Carl living? That character Alex?

Where was Rico's dad (Ok I know dead, but why?) Why did they make him Brazilian, and what's with all that white supremacist over tones? Rico's from the Phillipines for crying out loud, Zim learned english at boot, and Jelal?

Just ain't fair mates.

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

STARTROOP

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:47 PM

That is part of the problem. The original movie is flashy, lots of pretty women not wearing much in a couple of scenes and being very assertive and kickass when they were in uniform.

Unfortunately, they took pieces of Starship Trooper, blended them with pieces of another book call Armor (the whole attack on the fort thing came from there and was not in the original book) ran the blender and filtered out any thing that resembled a cogent discussion of the half a dozen issues they raised in satire.

The book is, in contrast, thoughtful about alot of issues that we are dealing with today (make sense, it was written during the Vietnam War). Hollywood wouldn't stand for a thoughtful movie that dealt with something other than the mating game or their own political agendas so the played it for sex, guns, and boy we hate the military.

If you really want to blow you mind, read Starship Trooper and follow it with Robert Heinlein's book other book he wrote during the same year called "Stranger in a Strange Land". It was banded by half the libraries in American for a long time because of the way it poked fun at various institutions. They both came from the same mind and are logically consistent and both a great read.

STARTROOP

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:47 PM

That is part of the problem. The original movie is flashy, lots of pretty women not wearing much in a couple of scenes and being very assertive and kickass when they were in uniform.

Unfortunately, they took pieces of Starship Trooper, blended them with pieces of another book call Armor (the whole attack on the fort thing came from there and was not in the original book) ran the blender and filtered out any thing that resembled a cogent discussion of the half a dozen issues they raised in satire.

The book is, in contrast, thoughtful about alot of issues that we are dealing with today (make sense, it was written during the Vietnam War). Hollywood wouldn't stand for a thoughtful movie that dealt with something other than the mating game or their own political agendas so the played it for sex, guns, and boy we hate the military.

If you really want to blow you mind, read Starship Trooper and follow it with Robert Heinlein's book other book he wrote during the same year called "Stranger in a Strange Land". It was banded by half the libraries in American for a long time because of the way it poked fun at various institutions. They both came from the same mind and are logically consistent and both a great read.

STARTROOP

Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:48 PM

Let this be a lesson. Don't ever hit the Post button and then get impatient and hit it again ;-)

Sorry folks

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:35 PM

It would take a lot of work, and a massive budget to make the book into anything remotely watchable, although I submit that if you concentrated on the story strongly enough you could probably get away with B-grade cheese for special effects.

One of the problems with the book is that it proposes, in essence, Facism - lighter, smoother more benevolent version of it, but Facism all the same, and a stratified society, and presents it in such a way that anyone who's lived in the real world for a couple years would laugh it right out of the ballpark, which is kinda sad cause he DOES make some decent points, and it IS a well told story... but it's the same Plato-Cicero-Strauss brand of spartan tripe that has never once blossomed into a healthy society due to certain really obvious real world issues that those proposing such schemes just kind of dance around and never really address - nor does Heinlen in the book.

If you're looking for something else in that vein to sink your teeth into with less social commentary, you should try David Drakes Redliners available at the Baen Free Library, it does have some of the same elements that made Troopers a good book in spite of it's core premise being unrealistic - but hell, that's what good FICTION generally is, right ?

Great book, but you wouldn't wanna make it into a movie as-is, even if you pulled it off, and it was damn good - you'd still get pounded into the ground by every political commentator worth their salt, vilified and raked over the coals by every reviewer, and folks would start certain inevitable comparisons even though it was never Heinlens intention to "Go there" with the story.

I do find it offensive to slap the name on what amounts to basically a brainless action movie though - it's a bit of an insult to a pretty good book, one worth reading, faulty premise or no.

Oh, and before ya pull out the flamethrowers, actually read what the heck I just said first, for once.

-Frem

ECGORDON

Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Stone me if ya want, but I'll get it- but then, I never read the novel...

Dude, get thee to a library or book store post haste!

The only reason Heinlein isn't spinning in his grave is that he was cremated and his ashes scattered at sea.

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