[spoiler]Reavers[/spoiler]

POSTED BY: rallem
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RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:53 AM

Hi everyone,
This is a question about the Reavers after Serenity. On Miranda there were 30 million people and 1/10th of a percent turned into Reavers, so the maximum number of Reavers that Serenity could have been pulled into the Republic blockade of Mr. Universe's world would be 30 thousand assuming there is no breeding. At the end of the battle River killed all of the reavers on the surface, and the Republic forces converged on the Crew's position, so I would assume they took care of the Reaver space force above, so does this mean the Reaver is gone from the Verse?

BLACKBEANIE

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:16 AM

That's an interesting question, one I've wondered about myself.
And I've come up with this answer---

While they might have taken out most of the reavers, I doubt it was all of them.
Some were probably sent off on raiding parties or maybe they had another armada hovering around somewhere. Who knows?

Also, I figure in the event of a sequel (or two) Joss probably wanted a few around, just in case.

But that's just my opinion.

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RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:34 AM

Thank you

RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:58 PM

I do think though that the Reaver pressence in the Verse will now be a minor one because the maximum number of Reavers could have possibly been 30000, and of those several must have been killed by raiding parties, internal strife, and not to mention the final battle between the Republic. Now as it was pointed out above that fleet which Serenity pulled into the Alliance's blockade probably wasn't the entire Reaver population, it does bring up some very interesting questions, like how do you get any of those capital ships to work with a crew of nothing but blood crazed maniacs? How did the Reavers aquire those ships? Do the Reavers have a way of reproduction?

MICJWELCH

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:07 PM

Don't forget the guy that turned into a Reaver in the series.

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:33 PM

I thought he turned into a reaver like creature, but not a true reaver. Of course my memory is not what it should be so I probably am wrong.

GORRAMGROUPIE

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
I thought he turned into a reaver like creature, but not a true reaver. Of course my memory is not what it should be so I probably am wrong.

They said he "became like them". I don't think he could be considered a reaver. However, by the same method I suppose new reavers could be created. And they never said that reavers were only men, there has to be some females. Whether they breed, unsure. Talk about a messed up childhood!
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RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:54 PM

I could see a Reaver coming home from a bad day at work with no way of blowing off steam. I wonder what type of hobbies he would take up, also if they could breed how do they theach their children to take over their jobs after retirement? Are the Reavers unionized?

AZENTROPY

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:03 PM

This is a pet peeve of mine. I think that the 1/10 of 1 percent of 30mil is taken way too literally. 30 million was an estimate, maybe it was 32 million rounded down, or 28 million rounded up... It wasn't exactly 30,000,000 people...

The line in the move is "about a tenth of a percent of the population..". That was an observed number. I'm pretty sure they didn't have time, or cooperation of the Reavers, to do a detailed census of reaver vs. non-reaver.

RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:19 PM

ok for arguement's sake let's say there were 30002 Reavers, does the final battle spell their doom as a viable entity? Does it really matter if threre were slightly more Reavers? Does it answer any of the questions raised above?

FARFLY

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:08 PM

Seems to me that Reavers (if there are any left) wouldn't be around very much longer anyway. They are essentially human, driven mad by the Pax added to the air processors and started doing stupid stuff like traveling around in a nuclear powered ships without core containment. So, how long does it take for radiation poisoning to kill them all off?

RALLEM

Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:09 PM

That's a good point Farfly

ALLIETHORN7

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:14 AM

How do we know that that was the entire fleet that went after our merry band of adventurers? I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I saw more then a couple of stations that would have trouble moving- and let's not forget about the ships that couldn't move at the time.
Also, for the sake of arguement, that the Reavers had no real viable way of communications- I highly doubt that they would use ship-to-ship radio. So, considering how ruttin' big Reaver space is, there should be quite a few more. I don't care what you say- those fifty ships that followed Serenity? No way they could even hold 10000, let alone 30.

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RALLEM

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:21 AM

There are lots of questions that cannot be explained like communications, engineering, reproduction, and resource management. Sure the raiding parties brought new recources, but how did those get distributed, and adapted for their craft? Did the Reavers eat stuff that was not human?

PHYRELIGHT

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:26 AM

In the novel, they descibe Reaver space as having about 100 ships floating, and about 50 of them fallowed Serenity out to Mr. Universe's moon.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by blackbeanie:
While they might have taken out most of the reavers, I doubt it was all of them.
Some were probably sent off on raiding parties or maybe they had another armada hovering around somewhere. Who knows?

My thoughts exactly. Surely some of the Reavers are out wandering in the black looking for prey. I doubt very seriously that the Alliance took out every Reaver ship. I would say some got away, not the larger ships, but surely some of the smaller, more agile ones.

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MICJWELCH

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:25 PM

This actually brings up a different question I had. The pax was still in the air when Serenity got to Miranda, wasn't it? How contagious is it? Is that how the guy in the series became a Reaver? Would Mal and his crew be carriers, or worse?

"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."

REDHEAD

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:49 PM

The pax is a drug not a disease. Therefore, it isn't contagious.

The reason the boy on Bushwhacked became a reaver is more like the Stockholm syndrome--he was so traumatized by what he viewed that he wanted to become a reaver so that he wouldn't be destroyed by reavers (a little shaky plot development I think . One reason why this isn't my fav episode)

The drug is gone from Miranda's system so the crew won't become reavers nor pass on reaverness

MSG

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:20 PM

It's obviously been a considerable amount of time since the pax was released and any drug that uses air born dispersal would likely have dissipated within 20-30 minutes. Once the system which fed pax into the air was no longer functioning, and it would eventually run out of pax and stop, there's not much chance of there being pax in the air. Could be residue on clothes and bodies, but it's unlikely that it wouldn't have decayed to point of not being pax...so I think they weren't exposed.

Unshielded cores would lead to sterilization and that kind of eliminates the reproductive growth, so it's either convert or die off... Don't think they convert many ( if it's even possible to convert ) so there might be a few reaver groups left, but not for much longer ( maybe 20 years tops)

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RALLEM

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:05 PM

Biological and Chemical agents like the pax would be broken down over time by the weather, so now other than getting rid of the bodies the planet of Miranda would be ready for colonization especially now that the secret is out and most of the Reavers have been eliminated.

PHOEBEROSETTA

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:12 PM

OK, I just have to say that this is one of the most creatively interesting threads I have EVER seen...and resembles the "farming on the rim" one going on in the 76th board to a degree. Man, how did I not know about this stuff EARLIER????

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SCHOOLBOYSWINK

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:54 PM

The question of how many Reavers are left or how and/or whether they can reproduce, etc. are borderline moot following the BDM. The Alliance has to protect its citizens in order to maintain their claim to legitimacy. They don't do a very good job of it out on the rim, but they are SUPPOSED to. In the days of the series, the Alliance's official stance was that Reavers did not exist, and there apparently wasn't enough incontrovertable evidence to prevent them from getting away with this. Now that the signal has gone out and EVERYBODY knows the truth, the Alliance will have to answer not only for their current stance, but for the cover-up of 10 years, or however long it was (I forget). The result will be that the public will urge the Alliance into a Reaver-hunting campaign, and since the Alliance has all the space munitions (warships, etc.) which I assume have gone virtually unused since the War, with the exception of chasing down smugglers and doing patrols and so forth, they certainly have the available resources to make that hunt very effective.

So, bottom line, whatever Reavers might have been left, and regardless of whether not they can breed, they are going to be exterminated. True, tiny bands might avoid destruction, and who knows, mass broadcast of the signal could even spark the creation of some kind of sick "Reaver-cult", but Reavers as we knew them are going to be extinct.

As for Miranda being colonized, I don't see it. I don't think you could get settlers to go near the place. I see it more like getting a nasty reputation, and being avoided as "forbidden" for centuries after anybody really remembers why.

One thing I will say: a couple have made a distinction between a "convert" and a "true" Reaver. However, Pax changes the brain, not the body. They only physical changes in the Reavers are either things they did intentionally to themselves (or one another) or due to radiation burns from their ships, so as far as I'm concerned, whether you were drugged into it or chose to be it, there is no meaningful distinction between an "original" and a "convert."

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PHOEBEROSETTA

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SchoolboysWink:

One thing I will say: a couple have made a distinction between a "convert" and a "true" Reaver. However, Pax changes the brain, not the body. They only physical changes in the Reavers are either things they did intentionally to themselves (or one another) or due to radiation burns from their ships, so as far as I'm concerned, whether you were drugged into it or chose to be it, there is no meaningful distinction between an "original" and a "convert."

I'm going to wholeheartedly agree with this point. The "false reaver" concept is more like "are you a citizen or naturalized"...you're here now, who cares. Consider it very messy Stockholm syndrome. But, once the brain is there, the mutilations will follow...

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FLATTOP

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:12 PM

I agree that the current group of Reavers will die out (no more Pax, sterilized by radiation, don't generally allow survivors to well, survive long enough to convert).
I think they may become more in keeping with what the Dortmunder's Captain postulated. Whenever a crew of slavers or murderous thieves wants an instant terror response from their target, they paint up their ship like a reaver, strap a few carcasses to the hull, breach wherever it won't vent atmosphere, jink the containment just enough to leave a trail without cooking everyone, play dress up with a bit of custom leather wear & makeup, hit the ground hard, gather up a few folk, kill a few others...
Looks like Reavers, acts like reavers, must be Reavers.
If your kin get snatched by slavers, you might get to thinking on pursuit, snatching them back, revenge, buying their contract, etc.
If your kin get snatched by Reavers, you mourn the loss & count yourself lucky to have lived through it. NOONE pursues Reavers. Not even Alliance.
The Reavers may all die out, but neo-reavers will be around until there's no more room for naughty men to move about.

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RALLEM

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:33 PM

I think you were right in assuming that the reavers will cease to exist, so the point of a "true" and "converted" Reaver is mute, but I don't think that space or any space will be safe. I think that space which was filled with Reavers will be filled with other scum such as pirates, and possibly a dangerous religious cult or two.

MICJWELCH

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:50 PM

Not everyone would believe the broadcast. How many times do we see something that incriminated our own government, and people just brush it off? I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here, I'm just saying that not everyone listens very well.

Most people on the core worlds wouldn't care much about the Reavers anyway. People tend to care more about what's happening to themselves.

As for what I said earlier, we have no idea what the "pax" actually is. I would think that 500 years from now, technology would allow a drug to be used only once. I got the impression that it was part of the terraforming process, which means that they would have wanted it to last.

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RALLEM

Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:39 PM

During the late 1800s and very early 1900s people from the well established cities like New York and Chicago couldn't get enough of news on the frontier, so I would imagine the same phenomenon would go in in the Verse, also it doesn't matter if many people believed the broadcast or not. It only mattered if the right people like journalists believed and followed up on the story.

Back to Miranda a moment: I wonder what the main forms of export were for Miranda? On the moon with Mud Farmers, we were told that the mud they export was used for the ceramic shields of space craft, and that was a small moon where it is plausible for there to be only major form of revenue, but on Miranda there were about 30 million people there and at least a dozen well formed cities, so I wonder what they did on that planet to make ends meet.

RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:59 AM

I might try to write a fan fic about the recolonization of Miranda.

PHOEBEROSETTA

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:53 AM

"if this looks familiar to any 76ers, I posted it last night on the 76th board"

It came to me last night.

Miranda...there were reavers...but EVERYONE commented on no damage, no bodies harmed, nothing broken down at all.

NOT sitting here sayin, "hey, Joss f*cked up" in the least. But, did I just find one of those annoying little inconsistencies???

The hologram woman was actually attacked by one. We're assuming she was in or very near to that ship, right? Why is there no evidence of the reavers' presence?

Just a thought that came floating in...not unlike a leaf on the wind. Snickering as I turn in for the night.

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PHOEBEROSETTA

Thursday, November 1, 2007 12:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
I might try to write a fan fic about the recolonization of Miranda.

And I'd LOVE to see that fan fic piece!

BTW, when my middle Georgia Methodist grandfather heard me talking about Browncoats, he was a might concerned that I had joined a cult....

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:02 PM

I think the reason no signs of Reavers were seen other than in htat space ship was that all of the other Mirandans were dead and the Reavers couldn't very well be agressive to them.

I don't understand why time wasn't more erosive to the cities and why the power was able to come on when triggered. Who was manning the power station? Also, I would like to ask why the crew didn't explore the science ship and cities more. They could have found some stuff they needed like high tech weapons, computers, and money.

PHOEBEROSETTA

Thursday, November 1, 2007 3:08 PM

Definately with you on the "money" aspect...what's a salvage crew without the salvage aspect???

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:11 PM

I would think there will be lots of salvage material floating around in the black after thaving the Reavers there for 12 plus years and then not so much any more, which should lure in the salvagers and bounty hunters to track down the last of the Reaver population. Or were you referring to my not understanding why the crew didn't search through the planet for stuff to use.

PHOEBEROSETTA

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:20 PM

I was agreeing to "why didn't they salvage AT ALL on Miranda"

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 4:30 PM

Oh, I understand. Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake.

IHAVEISSUES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 5:46 PM

It looked to me like the Reavers won that massive space battle, and then many of them probably went back to the cloud?

River only killed the few that followed them to the surface of Mr. Universe's planet, correct?

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:10 PM

Hmm, I had the opposite assumption from the space battle because in the end it was the Republic forces that pulled down the wall and told the crew to drop their weapons. I will admit that it looked like it was an expensive victory, the kind if you won too many of them you would lose the war.

IHAVEISSUES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:27 PM

Yea my impression of the Reaver victory came mostly from the actual battle, where the Alliance lost their flagship and the rest of their fleet wasnt doing too well either.

But its definitely open to interpetation ...

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

MSG

Thursday, November 1, 2007 6:54 PM

I'm thinking I may have to re-watch that and see if I can get a body count... hmm might be interesting as a comparative

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:07 PM

How could you get a body count from the movie? I will admit things did not look good for the Republic forces, but they didn't look hopeless either.

MSG

Thursday, November 1, 2007 7:53 PM

Body count of River's kills...

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:13 PM

Ahh, I see! What would that get you? You know, I just thought of something. There were an awful lot of Reavers on the planet side with the large kill ratio of dead from the crew of Serenity, so it is quite possibly viable that the Reavers did in fact win the battle above and the Republic Troops which ripped down the wall were either a presence of troops who pushed back after the majority of Reaver ships were landed or escaped, or they were from ships which had not yet joined the line by the time of the battle. The Troops may have performed a counter attack which is a common military strategy after a withdrawal.

GORRAMGROUPIE

Thursday, November 1, 2007 8:55 PM

Just because the flagship goes doesn't mean everyone went. The flagship is just the biggest target. And time and again it is the little ships, the destroyers and such(to use navy terms) that do the most damage, being small, fast and hard to hit. As far as looting the planet, I think that they had a time constraint, not knowing if anything followed them or if the agent was right behind them. Although, that is a common gripe of mine, not grabbing better stuff. I hate seeing a movie where they go through with a pistol, when there are automatic weapons lying on the ground, or not taking time to get the supplies that could be used. As for power, if it was an automated nuclear plant, then there would be plenty of power, just needed the presence of people to re activate it.

RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:05 PM

That is true, but there weren't just a few reavers on the ground, there were a horde of them, and how could that be? They either won initially and were then beaten back by the rpublic forces, or so many of their ships wanted the crew of Serenity that the ignored the republic forces and landed their horde at the destruction of their fleet. My opinion only.

MSG

Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:07 PM

Well I figured River took about about an average ship's worth of reavers so we could use that to extrapolate the basic numbers as a comparison to the 30,000

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RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:18 PM

How can you assume it was only one ship's detatchment?

IHAVEISSUES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:27 PM

please disregard

IHAVEISSUES

Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:27 PM

I cant remember, weren't there actually 2 reaver ships landing behind the wrecked Serenity?

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

RALLEM

Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:31 PM

I think it was one vessel which landed with Serenity, but I don't think that alone means that only one ship landed, and the reason I say this is there were too many Reavers there for just one ship. (imo) It seems that after all the killings which Mall, Zoe, and Jayne did the Reavers just kept filling the holes in their line. Of course there simply could be too many inconstancies for any of us to reason this away. I personally started this thread assuming the Republic won in the sky and space, and I think it is still possible they did and one of the reasons for that is too many Reavers landed to get the crew of Serenity. One clue in the movie might be River’s line when she answered why the Reavers weren’t shooting the Mule out of the sky and she said, “They want us alive when they eat us.” Perhaps the Reavers want Serenity above all reason because they flew through Reaver space and destroyed a Reaver ship. Just a guess.

IHAVEISSUES

Friday, November 2, 2007 3:30 AM

I rewatched the scene, there ARE 2 vessels landing behind Serenity... One is the sleek birdshaped "interceptor" that hit Serenity with the beam that put them in the tailspin... Then there is a much larger ship, landing which looks like it could hold many more troops...

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

RALLEM

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:15 PM

I thought the ship with the emp ray was a republic ship. Did it have red paint on it?

KNIGHTREYEDER

Friday, November 2, 2007 12:26 PM

There's a bunch of Reavers left out there in the black. I don't see all that many getting thinned out during the encounters in our Serenity story.......plenty of 'scary' still left out there I'm sure.

Mal's expression in the scrapyard when he first see's Serenity says it all.

MICJWELCH

Friday, November 2, 2007 1:41 PM

The ship with the EMP was most definitely a Reaver ship. We had a whole big long drawn out discussion on that a while back.

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BONANACROIN

Friday, November 2, 2007 6:31 PM

I have wanted to say this for a long time but didn't think it was "thread-wothy" I do believe that if you draw the loose connection between Native Americans (Here-by reffered to as Indians) and Reavers than you can get the idea that reavers were smart. Indians could use guns but could not manufacture their own, same with Reavers (they made a booby-trap in Bushedwacked for crying out loud.) They could use the technology but could not maintain their own, that is why you have ships without core containment, it doesn't make the ship go faster but you need to inspect the core once every 5 to 8 years and possibly replace. Reavers don't replace, they steal newer, faster ships.
That being said I beleive Reavers get replacements. They take others and convert them. That might be the reason for the raping aspect of an ultra violent society. A reaver is a human that has been reduced to violent basic instincts, and one instinct is to breed. If you can't do it with faulty sperm than you start stealing people and see who take to the treatment. In Bushedwacked I think they had every intention of coming back and either getting the guy or seeing what ship they snagged with their hook. The ones that survive the initiation are sent back to the women and properly indoctrenated (Just cause you don't see a Reaver woman doesn't mean that they don't exist.) If a child is produced some sort of "Throw the child in the Black and see if it lives" kind of ritual is performed. If the child lives, new Reaver, if the child dies, lunch.
Anyway that is the way I see things.

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IHAVEISSUES

Monday, November 5, 2007 6:15 AM

Wow I'm not the only one with issues!

Just kidding; that sounds somewhat plausible ...

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

RALLEM

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 8:52 PM

So the emp cannon was a reaver weapon, but can I ask how do the reavers communicate to make a coherent attack let alone to simply run the ship?

IHAVEISSUES

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 10:38 PM

Well Reavers must have somewhat calmer leadership structure, and some techies as well ....

Mal: "Seems like we arrived here in the nick of time. What does that make us?"
Zoe: "Big damn heroes, sir!"
Mal: "Aint we just!"

RALLEM

Tuesday, November 6, 2007 10:44 PM

I sort of get an image in my head of something like the Coyote and Sheep Dog in the Bugs Bunny cartoons where they were mortal enemies until the whistle blew and then they were polite to each other discussing family and what ever while on break or off duty. I could imagine the Reavers being polite until it came till boarding time and then it was show time or something like that.

IHAVEISSUES

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 12:28 AM

Except for the blood curtling screams they hear as they creep past the quiet Reaver ships in Reaver Space....

RALLEM

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 12:56 AM

Hahahaha, You couldn't here anything scream in space. Something I thought was funny, was in "Our Mrs. Reynold," when Jayne shoots out the net with his rifle, he needed a space suit, but in "Serenity" the mounted gun needed nothing, and how did Captain Reynolds get back inside?

In earnest, a firearm with brass rounds would be able to shoot just fine in space with out an external means of oxygen because there is enough oxygen in the round to ignite the primer and the chemical reaction of the gun powder creates its own oxygen.

MICJWELCH

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 3:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rallem:
Hahahaha, You couldn't here anything scream in space. Something I thought was funny, was in "Our Mrs. Reynold," when Jayne shoots out the net with his rifle, he needed a space suit, but in "Serenity" the mounted gun needed nothing, and how did Captain Reynolds get back inside?

In earnest, a firearm with brass rounds would be able to shoot just fine in space with out an external means of oxygen because there is enough oxygen in the round to ignite the primer and the chemical reaction of the gun powder creates its own oxygen.

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I would have to guess that the deck gun was probably designed to be used in space. Mal probably used the same entry point that Jubal Early did. Since there's no wind resistance in space, it probably wouldn't have been too difficult.

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RALLEM

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 7:28 PM

All brass cased firearms can be considered to be designed to fire in space, and unless "Vera" was a gun designed to fire caseless ammunition, I suspect we caught the crew in a discrepancy. I honestly don’t know if caseless ammo can be fired in space or not since it is possible there is a pocket of air in the middle of the glue & powder casing.

BONANACROIN

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:54 PM

There are guns that can fire under water and guns that can fire in the vacuum of space but like all things in life the initial spark gets the fire going but unless you have an oxidizer mixed in to the propellant (like solid rocket fuel or space munitions) you only go so far with little power, what those in the military call a "pop no kick".

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RALLEM

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:56 PM

See my post above regarding the firing of bullets in space.

HERA7

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:51 PM

I have my own theory on how Reavers function.

They are berserkers.

In battle they go into a blood rage like ancient Vikings but they are able to maintain a level of discipline when not on attack. They are still demented and twisted, but can communicate and perform semi-complex tasks.

Because of the small number of people affected by the Pax, they could of already had an enhanced rage mechanism, so most of them would of not been from the scientific or intellectual communities. They could have some who can maintain equipment, build simple machines and even navigate spaceships but civilization as we know it is now alien to them.

Has anyone noticed the only energy weapon reavers used is the EMP that was used by the ship pursuing Serenity? But they do fashion weapons that throw saw blades, nail balls and tranquilizer darts as well as an interesting assortment of bladed weapons.

Another thing that got me about reaver inconsistencies is the episode 'Bushwacked.' Ship of 14 families attacked, no blood anywhere, just some skinned bodies hung up by a chain in a locked store room and a cunning trap for any rescuers. Guess the one left alive could of cleaned up the mess, but the lack of blood probably was more for censors than for lack of detail.

Hera7

Mechanic & Cook
"So thats where that bolt went to."

RALLEM

Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:53 PM

I never actually gave the lack of blood any thought.