Well darn, I can't find that thread ...
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:47
VIEWED: 5568
PAGE 1 of 8
But in it Finn was saying the US was deploying an anti-missile in Europe for their protection, making them safer. NOT.
The story below
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070529/ts_nm/shield_russia_dc;_ylt=AtNH.P
32vAiYf0.4J7GnQh7MWM0F
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that the deployment of a U.S. missile shield in Europe would turn the continent into "a powder keg."
"We consider it harmful and dangerous to turn Europe into a powder keg and to stuff it with new weapons," Putin told visiting Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates at the Kremlin.
"It creates new and unnecessary risks for the whole system of international and European relations," he told Socrates, whose country takes over the European Union's rotating presidency on July 1.
Russia's Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said it had test-fired a new intercontinental ballistic missile featuring multiple warheads designed to overcome missile Defense systems.
The United States says the shield is needed to protect (itself) against missile attacks from what it calls rogue states such as Iran and North Korea.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
But in it Finn was saying the US was deploying an anti-missile in Europe for their protection, making them safer. NOT.
The story below
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070529/ts_nm/shield_russia_dc;_ylt=AtNH.P
32vAiYf0.4J7GnQh7MWM0F
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that the deployment of a U.S. missile shield in Europe would turn the continent into "a powder keg."
"We consider it harmful and dangerous to turn Europe into a powder keg and to stuff it with new weapons," Putin told visiting Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates at the Kremlin.
"It creates new and unnecessary risks for the whole system of international and European relations," he told Socrates, whose country takes over the European Union's rotating presidency on July 1.
Russia's Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said it had test-fired a new intercontinental ballistic missile featuring multiple warheads designed to overcome missile Defense systems.
The United States says the shield is needed to protect (itself) against missile attacks from what it calls rogue states such as Iran and North Korea.
Nothing like a game of "Balance of Terror"
-River
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Former Soviet Party leaders are complaining because their nuclear missiles are becoming obsolete as an international threat to Europe. Aspirations of a Communist dominated Europe disappear further and further into the past.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"We consider it harmful and dangerous to turn Europe into a powder keg and to stuff it with new weapons," Putin told visiting Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates...Russia's Defense Ministry, meanwhile, said it had test-fired a new intercontinental ballistic missile featuring multiple warheads designed to overcome missile Defense systems.
So it's 'Do as I say, not as I do.' week in Russia?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Oh yeah, 'cause WE put our missiles right at their doorstep, have military bases in a ring from Iceland thru Germany, Italy, Turkey, Iraq and a bunch of other ME nations and then we wonder why they feel threatened.
Huh.
It's been a "Do as I say, not as I do" century for the USA.
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh yeah, 'cause WE put our missiles right at their doorstep, have military bases in a ring from Iceland thru Germany, Italy, Turkey, Iraq and a bunch of other ME nations and then we wonder why they feel threatened.
Huh.
It's been a "Do as I say, not as I do" century for the USA.
I understand. It's OK for the Russians to have MIRVed ICBMs capable of carrying 10 nukes each, which can only be used in an aggressive manner, but bad for the US to propose providing anti-missle coverage for Europe. After all, Russia has never been a threat to anyone.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"anti-missle coverage for Europe"
Well, that's a red (ahem) herring. The US missiles aren't the kind that target incoming warheads, which they'd have to be to protect Europe. They target mid-flight warheads - in other words, the ones passing over Europe bound for the US. Europe gets all of the risk and none of the benefit.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Well, that’s nonsense. So missiles targeting Europe don’t have a “mid-flight.” Sorry, but ballistic trajectories are continuous from launch to impact, unless Iran has developed wormhole technology. Whether you kill the target in midcourse, descent or anywhere else along its flightpath is a tactical decision for best odds of interception. It has nothing to do with where the target impact point is.
Originally posted by rue:
Well, that's a red (ahem) herring. The US missiles aren't the kind that target incoming warheads, which they'd have to be to protect Europe. They target mid-flight warheads - in other words, the ones passing over Europe bound for the US. Europe gets all of the risk and none of the benefit.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
If it's that simple, why can't we shoot down incoming missiles from our own country?
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:We can and we do.
Originally posted by SignyM:
If it's that simple, why can't we shoot down incoming missiles from our own country?
And no one said it was simple.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME