Jupiter Ascending

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:53 AM

I thought the human harvesting angle, not fully fleshed out, was a lame ripoff of the final scenes of Men in Black.

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I guess we agree on something -

"Other than dating Kutcher, I was not sure if it was possible to make Mila unadorable. This proves it is possible."

I'm not a Kutcher fan and I feel she can do much better, and yes, otherwise, she is adorable. The script and direction were wishy-washy, to say the least. Mila is a gifted actress and this was the one poor film choice she has made in her carefully crafted career.

So I give her a pass on this one. Even when the movie she was in was halfway decent, her portrayals were always spot on. So put one in the loss column and prep the divorce papers (Kutcher is bound to screw up again).
Mila, nothing personal, I just think that Ashton is a scumbag. Just saying.

SGG

I started watching Craig Ferguson based upon posts here about his 2nd or 3rd interview of Nathan.
When Craig did his on the road show in Scotland, he included the always adorable Ariel Tweeto plus Mila. She was adorable, and game, and it will be hard for me to think poorly of her as long as I can recall those shows. But she is making an effort to exceed that threshold.

SECOND

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:27 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I started watching Craig Ferguson based upon posts here about his 2nd or 3rd interview of Nathan.
When Craig did his on the road show in Scotland, he included the always adorable Ariel Tweeto plus Mila. She was adorable, and game, and it will be hard for me to think poorly of her as long as I can recall those shows. But she is making an effort to exceed that threshold.

I looked for Mila Kunis and Craig Ferguson - Late Late Show in Scotland Glasgow Necropolis 5/14/2012. Mila and Craig are fun.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought the human harvesting angle, not fully fleshed out, was a lame ripoff of the final scenes of Men in Black.

You know where the Wachowskis got the idea for Jupiter Descending of squeezing people for their life-force? They got it from The Matrix. People in the Matrix are batteries for the Machines!

When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought that the people in the Matrix did not know the real reason why the Machines running Earth kept billions of people alive, so people imagined a goofy myth about people = battery to explain. That was very smart scriptwriting to not waste movie time on exposition. People = battery was strictly a metaphor about the real reason for Machines to serve billions of people. But it wasn't a metaphor for the Wachowskis. It was the real reason.

Matrix 2 and 3 proved that the Wachowskis never, never, never understood that calories in food will make far more electricity by burning the food in a furnace or a fuel cell than feeding calories to people. They took an ignorant idea from two sequels to their best movie, twisted it to make it new for Jupiter Descending and give the audience of their last movie the life-force being squeezed out of people. Jupiter Descending stinks because the Wachowskis's scriptwriting is still trapped inside Matrix 2 & 3.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 11, 2015 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I started watching Craig Ferguson based upon posts here about his 2nd or 3rd interview of Nathan.
When Craig did his on the road show in Scotland, he included the always adorable Ariel Tweeto plus Mila. She was adorable, and game, and it will be hard for me to think poorly of her as long as I can recall those shows. But she is making an effort to exceed that threshold.
I looked for Mila Kunis and Craig Ferguson - Late Late Show in Scotland Glasgow Necropolis 5/14/2012. Mila and Craig are fun.

I guess you didn't see the broadcast. The special episodes lasted a week, so you should be able to see Mila bits from more than one broadcast day. I think Rashida Jones was along, and maybe a couple group bits included both Rashida, Mila and/or Ariel Tweeto. IIRC Mila also had a cemetery walk/tour, and other cool bits. I thought that sitdown which is shown on that vid shot was good, but I felt it paled in comparison to how cool she acted for all the other segments she was on.
And if you haven't seen the Ariel Tweeto segments, try checking them out.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:02 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought the human harvesting angle, not fully fleshed out, was a lame ripoff of the final scenes of Men in Black.
You know where the Wachowskis got the idea for Jupiter Descending of squeezing people for their life-force? They got it from The Matrix. People in the Matrix are batteries for the Machines!

Ummm.
I think I mentioned that on June 6.

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When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought that the people in the Matrix did not know the real reason why the Machines running Earth kept billions of people alive, so people imagined a goofy myth about people = battery to explain. That was very smart scriptwriting to not waste movie time on exposition. People = battery was strictly a metaphor about the real reason for Machines to serve billions of people. But it wasn't a metaphor for the Wachowskis. It was the real reason.

Matrix 2 and 3 proved that the Wachowskis never, never, never understood that calories in food will make far more electricity by burning the food in a furnace or a fuel cell than feeding calories to people. They took an ignorant idea from two sequels to their best movie, twisted it to make it new for Jupiter Descending and give the audience of their last movie the life-force being squeezed out of people. Jupiter Descending stinks because the Wachowskis's scriptwriting is still trapped inside Matrix 2 & 3.

I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.

SECOND

Thursday, June 11, 2015 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.

In the here and now, people are not used as batteries because there are already myriad better ways to store electricity. In the future, the Machines will not ignore this pretty good existing battery technology and switch to weird & unproven human battery technology simply to please the Wachowskis. Unless the Machines know even less about building batteries than the Wachowskis. Then anything imaginable, no matter how stupid, could happen in the Matrix.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, June 12, 2015 3:57 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.
In the here and now, people are not used as batteries because there are already myriad better ways to store electricity. In the future, the Machines will not ignore this pretty good existing battery technology and switch to weird & unproven human battery technology simply to please the Wachowskis. Unless the Machines know even less about building batteries than the Wachowskis. Then anything imaginable, no matter how stupid, could happen in the Matrix.

Much of today's battery technology was not available in 1999.

SECOND

Friday, June 12, 2015 5:49 PM

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Much of today's battery technology was not available in 1999.

If the Wachowskis' Machines in the Matrix were real, they would have 1999 and 2015 battery tech. If the Machines are just Wachowski hand puppets, then they forget whatever tech has been invented. Most of SciFi is afflicted with that hand puppet versus real character problem. The artistry of a story is to make the audience keep believing that the characters are true and real or really true, not just hand puppets of the movie director. Sadly, some moviemakers cannot get the idea that if the movie does something unbelievably stupid for that particular imaginary world, the audience stops believing in the story.

In other movies, not Jupiter Ascending, the Wachowskis have kept within the boundaries of believable characters for some particular imaginary world. Speed Racer is an example. The following is from an admiring review of that movie.

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The Wachowskis, perhaps more than any other filmmakers, suffer from the pains of being pure at heart.

They make cinema that is so genuine and jaw-droppingly sincere that it can't help but skew right into most people's "this is corny" territory. It's like the siblings have no radar for it. They may not even know the meaning of the word. As such, their big, loving ideas come onto the screen completely undistilled by cynicism. To boot, they are about as subtle as a jackhammer. Even if they regularly confuse their metaphors, they are so committed to youthful notions of idealism that their characters act as if they hold the one true will of god in their hands. Meaning it's characters who believe in peace / love / truth and will fight the whole world with kewl kung fu to prove how much peace / love / truth they have (which is often hypocritical, but, hey. That's genre, really). But if hulk had one creative standard of all filmmakers, it is the request that one's cinema be honest to what it really wants, what it really believes, and what it's really saying.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/03/27/film-crit-hulk-smash-speed-race
r-as-artist

I imagine that many genre filmmakers get fatigued with a process taking thousands of hours of work and the filmmakers can no longer tell, because of their weary imagination, when they have done something unbelievable to a viewer who invested only two hours in the movie.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 14, 2015 2:46 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.
In the here and now, people are not used as batteries because there are already myriad better ways to store electricity. In the future, the Machines will not ignore this pretty good existing battery technology and switch to weird & unproven human battery technology simply to please the Wachowskis. Unless the Machines know even less about building batteries than the Wachowskis. Then anything imaginable, no matter how stupid, could happen in the Matrix.

Much of today's battery technology was not available in 1999.

Circa 1999 battery technology had been relatively stagnant, a developmental plateau. Great changes have occurred since then. I don't expect the W's to look into the future and know the the stagnation won't last, that there will be great changes. For, if you had followed the storyline, why would there be great changes, when the humans were merely in the matrix for hundreds of years, and the machines were in no great need of technological invention or innovation?

WISHIMAY

Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:41 AM

Ok, we finally got this movie and had time to sit and watch it.

I get why people were miffed, it's basically a rip-off of every sci-fi movie...ever. If I was paying money for it, I might have been disappointed, but since it was Netflix- it was perfect. Cute, cheesy, visually interesting ....comic book entertainment.

I think people were also expecting some grandiose ending about the future of humanity, and all you get is "Ok, go back to work now."

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