White House: Everything’s Fine in Iraq as Ramadi Falls

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 23, 2015 7:58 PM

That's rubbish. The "story" is interweaving to completely different matters. WMD was the reason for going into Iraq. That's what Tenent said. It had zero to do w/ 9/11 , and everyone knew it.

Hell, many thought OK City was retaliation for Gulf War 1. It wasn't ( Though I'm sure some will tell us exactly what it WAS, and nothing we're told by the officials was real about Timmy McVeigh ... that's another issue )

THGRRI

Saturday, May 23, 2015 8:32 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That's rubbish. The "story" is interweaving to completely different matters. WMD was the reason for going into Iraq. That's what Tenent said. It had zero to do w/ 9/11 , and everyone knew it.

Hell, many thought OK City was retaliation for Gulf War 1. It wasn't ( Though I'm sure some will tell us exactly what it WAS, and nothing we're told by the officials was real about Timmy McVeigh ... that's another issue )

It is a 60 minutes interview with George Tenet the then director of the CIA. It is what it is. You also have the CIA daily briefer to George Bush( Morell ) state that Bush and his administration lied about Iraq in his new book. Claims he is verbalizing on TV talk shows currently. What you say about it means nothing Rappy. The world is hearing the truth. The Republicans, George Bush and the neocons are responsible for all that is going wrong in the middle east.

It's astounding that you scream Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi where we lost four people and not the disaster Bush and the Republicans created in the middle east. Just what the Republicans want you to do. Deflect, deflect, deflect, the same that 1kiki and Sig do here for Russia.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, May 23, 2015 8:51 PM

The guy is trying to sell a book. Saying Bush was right or decided to do the right thing on bad intel doesn't sell as well, so I guess the publisher is gonna reap the rewards.

You can't tell me that I'm wrong here, because I'm not. Bush went on the intel that his CIA director, who was a left over from the Clinton admin, gave him.

The Clinton admin , and damn near every Democrat before AND after 9/11 were saying the EXACT GOD DAMN SAME THING as Bush said , that Saddam had / used and still maintains WMD in violation of UN resolutions.

That simply is a fact.

Did the Bush admin screw up post war Iraq ? Hell yeah they did, at least as far as I can tell. And I was ALWAYS critical of how they ran $ and contractors in there to rebuild, before dealing w/ the root causes. Just more big govt solutions - throw $ at the problem and call it fixed. No different than what Democrats do.

Be honest about disagreeing that we should have ever gone into Iraq in the first place. Even knowing what we knew, I can respect the decision to not commit troops and the war effort. Whether I agree or not is entirely different. But don't spin it off as "Bush lied ! " , but every other Democrat didn't. If Bush did lie, then Bill, Hillary , Kennedy, Kerry, Albright, Gore and damn near every other prominent Democrat lied as well.

So, which is it ? They all lied ? Or none of them.

THGRRI

Saturday, May 23, 2015 8:54 PM

The Democrats were cowards yes but they got fed lies by Bush and Chenney. They also could not stand up to public opinion that was believing our president when he said Iraq had WMD's and was going to use them. And no we would not be in Iraq if Bush had not lied to get us there.

Keep in mind that the Democrats gave him permission to go but only after he exhausted all other options. Once it got the OK he just went. I blame the Democrats for being cowards but Bush for all else.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:18 PM

First of all KRAPPY, I will repeat for the 100th time...

There was a critical difference between what the Democrats believed in the late 1990's 2000s and what Bush could reasonably claim in 2003, and that was the presence of the UN INVESTIGATION TEAM, UNMOVIC, headed by Hans Blix. The UN was there in Iraq to investigate that very question. It was US bombing that chased UNMOVIC from Iraq, not Saddam Hussein.

Bush couldn't wait for the answer, not because he was impatient, but because the answer was going to be that Iraq DIDN'T possess stores of WMD and was NOT working on WMD programs.That would have seriously gotten in the way of Bush's plans to invade. Because he was going to invade anyway, and WMD had nothing to do with it.

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Aside from that fact of history, which KRAPPY still wants to ignore ....

Are you people still under the delusion that Al Qaida, Al Nusra, and ISIS are spontaneous creations of clusters of religious fanatics?

Don't you know that Saudi Arabia has been funding Al Qaida FOR DECADES? That they funded the fundamentalist Wahhabi madrassas in Pakistan, which set up the Taliban and the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan? That the USA has been looking the other way, because Saudi Arabia has agreed not to attack Israel? (And, you will note, that Al Qaida and its affiliates and offshoots have never attacked Israel?)

That Saudi Arabia and Qatar shipped over 70 planeloads of arms to radical fundamentalists in Libya, through Turkey (and probably Chechnya)? And then re-shipped the arms to Syria? That Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar currently admit to funding and arming ISIS in Syria?

Everything we have done in invading and destabilizing nation after nation in the Mideast has only left smoking ruins where al Qaida, ISIS, and Al Nusra thrive. It would be understandable as an error, if we did that once. But... six or seven times?

Sure, we peck at Al Qaida with drone strikes. But that is particularly ineffective, it's just for show. If we REALLY wanted to get rid of it, we would stop supporting Al Qaida's supporters.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 24, 2015 1:00 AM

Siggy - sorry, but the UN lost all credibility with it's involvement in the Oil for Food program. That brought corruption to an all time high on the international level.

Also, the burden of proof was on IRAQ, to show that it had complied. It was NOT up to the UN to engage in some country wide easter egg hunt, to discover if WMD could be found or not. But that's exactly what Saddam engaged in, and Hans happily played right along.

Finally, WMD were found, after the war, in all manner of places. And this is key... IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE WMD ITEMS ( munitions, parts, chemicals ) WERE 1 or 10 YEARS OLD !!! . These were covered by the treaty, and IRAQ was CLEARLY in violation.

Now, you can legitimately state the case that , even though found, those items didn't warrant a full scale military invasion. I can respect that, and even find some common ground. However, to claim there was NOTHING in Iraq, what so ever, and that Bush , Cheney et all LIED us into war is a flat out lie. Not disingenuous, but a complete and total lie and completely false.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 24, 2015 1:08 AM

I don't know why ISIS hasn't attacked Israel. If they are being held in check by Saudi Arabia, then please, explain why. S.A. ( sunni ) and Iran ( shia ) seem to have different agendas in how to control the region / world.

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Sat May 23, 2015

(CNN)A suicide bomber detonated himself at a Shiite mosque Friday in the predominantly Sunni kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the country's official press agency said, killing 21 worshippers in an attack that has been claimed by ISIS.

THGRRI

Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:03 AM

Cheney Says Peril of a Nuclear Iraq Justifies an Attack

WASHINGTON, Aug. 26 — Vice President Dick Cheney today presented the administration's most forceful and comprehensive rationale yet for attacking Iraq, warning that Saddam Hussein would "fairly soon" have nuclear weapons.

Mr. Cheney said a nuclear-armed Mr. Hussein would "seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world's energy supplies, directly threaten America's friends throughout the region and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail."

The vice president's remarks, to a Nashville convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, came as White House advisers said they were increasingly concerned about the news accounts and the growing debate in Congress and among former high-ranking foreign policy officials over the administration's plans for Iraq.

Mr. Cheney's speech, which his advisers said he was still writing on Sunday, appeared intended to quell the confusion and present the administration as united behind the central idea that Mr. Hussein must be ousted, sooner rather than later.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20020828wed
nesday.html

THGRRI

Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:05 AM

This is just one of the lies Cheney told to get us into Iraq. I could post all day the different lies by him. When a CIA operative called Cheney'sstatements lies, they outed her and not only destroyed her career but put her life and her families lives in danger. Remember that?

On NBC's Meet the Press last Sunday, March 16, 2003, Vice President Cheney audaciously reiterated an ominous note.

NBC: "And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree?"

Cheney: "I disagree, yes. And you'll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of our intelligence community disagree. Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. … We know that based on intelligence, that [Saddam] has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong."

After 218 inspections of 141 sites over three months by the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei charged that the U.S. had used faked and erroneous evidence to support the claims that Iraq was importing enriched uranium and other material, notably the aluminum tubes and small magnets for the manufacture of nuclear weapons. "After three months of intrusive inspections, we have, to date, found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq," the chief atomic weapons inspector had told the U.N. Security Council on Friday March 7, 2003.

http://www.iraqsnuclearmirage.com/YellowTimes/Cheneys_Bogus_Nuclear_We
apon.htm

AURAPTOR

Sunday, May 24, 2015 6:26 AM

Cheney may have been wrong.

No evidence that he lied.

Obama lies. That's proven and verifiable.

But not so much for Bush or Cheney.

But hey, go right ahead and distract from events of today with tired old stories from yesteryear. Just because ISIS took Ramadi, that's nothing to fret about, even a little !

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