Your voting for Whoever, But Why?

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SIGNYM

Sunday, October 24, 2004 5:10 PM

I'm voting for Kerry, not because I particularly like his platform but because he isn't in some sort of imaginary world like Bush, and he stands a chance of winning.

I have yet to find my ideal candidate. If he or she existed, s/he would:

Get out of Iraq and focus on terrorism.
Eliminate all IP laws.
Withdraw from all "free-trade" agreements.
Re-write tax law to put individuals, small businesses and corporations on an even playing field.
Invest in energy conservation and alternative energy through low-interest rate loans.
Appoint Elliot Spitzer as the Attorney General.

Oh well, I could go on and on. Sadly, nobody seems to share my views!

BTW, I saw Mike Peroutka on public television and while I disagreed with some of what he was saying, I thought he was a principled and thoughtful candidate.

DAIKATH

Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:24 PM

I live in europe but here goes, if I'd be able and would want(its not my country...) to I'd vote for Ralph Nader.

Because even if only the Republicans and Democrats are the only parties which stand a chance of winning, Nader is the only other choice which has any real influence (as in if he would't be on the ballot Kerry would win).

Here in my country (The Netherlands, better known as Holland though that only represents two of the twelfe provinces)there are 8 parties in our senate. Whenever the elections are over usually the two biggest parties out of the elections are the only ones which will have the majority of the votes together (never does one party here have the majority). There are exepctions when other parties dont want a particular party in the government but thats a whole other story.

What Im trying to say with that last overly written paragraph is that the majority of the poeple should be acknolidged, through CNN's poll of polls Bush would have a small lead on Kerry while Bush has 49% of the votes. If the US would adopt another voting system this would not be enough if the other parties bonded together to form 51% of the votes.

Poeple who have spoken about Nader said that they didn't see it as a wasted vote but rather an investment in the future when poeple would have more choices.

WYDRAZ

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:31 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Osama might very well be dead.

Show me the corpse.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
We didn't go into Iraq 'because' we couldn't find Osama. Had we brought OBL's head on a stick in the 1st week of that war, we'd still gone into Iraq. Iraq is another matter entirely.

That's entirely debateable. Regardless of the reason, as far as I can tell, we gave up on finding Osama. If we are still looking, I'd at least like to hear what our progress is. If it's "no progress", and if we don't find him, we aren't seeking justice, we're seeking revenge on those who have a vague connection to him.

A War on Terror is like the War on Drugs. It's unwinnable, because they can never all be eliminated. In every country there are terrorists, and as long as people are allowed to think freely, there will always be seperatists, terrorists, rebels, and yes, even Browncoats. But they are just labels for the extremes.

Find those who are guilty of specific crimes (like 9/11) and that is the best and most just action you can take.

Oh, and play Strange Adventures in Infinite Space. http://digital-eel.com/sais

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:37 PM

Ooo imma prolly annoy some folk, but what the hell...

Kerry, know why ?

It ain't even about mosta the issues, you see, I don't even truly mind the whole world conquest game, save for one pointed factor.

THEY BUNGLED IT.

We coulda used a combination of shyster diplomacy, assassination (c'mon, it's a time-honored *tradition* of american politics and foreign policy), economic squeeze plays to have everything we wanted, and if we'd played it right, they'd have been happy to give it to us!

Use someone else's troops as cannon fodder, then move in an 'secure' the resources you want, "ok, we'll take it from here, folks.."

Not all wars are decided on the battlefield, some are truly decided in the stock market floor, or the negotiating table - you use the best tactics for the situation, instead of going toe-to-toe in situations where your opponent has every advantage over you, and you DON'T let your ego prevent you from using allies to pick up the slack, even if you have to play nice with them for a little while, and you don't "stay the course" when yer headed for an iceberg, you change your tactics!

So, the current administration has completely BUNGLED the world conquest game, and like any employee who totally screws the pooch, they're gonna be FIRED.

As for third parties ? sure, they sound like they got a plan, but they DON'T... they come to a rigged game and play it by the cheaters rules, and then expect to get anywhere? PUH-leaze.
You can NOT 'play nice' in politics and win, it's a dirty, shameful business where an incumbent has EVERY advantage, from press coverage to gerrymandering - and the only way they ever really lose is if an opponent plays real hardball with em, and they're an incompetent bungler to boot.

There IS no 'play nice' that's gonna work when it comes to third parties, the only one even CLOSE to angry enough was Dean, and he allowed the press (fully in the control of the incumbents) to set his pace, his race - and paid the price for it.

I will not vote for a third party till they're angry enough and MEAN enough, to ram the iron fist of the american peoples' suzerainty down the throat of the politican machine till it chokes, and then put the big bad boot of the people up the rear of corporate american and the military-industrial complex that's turned us all into tax-slave fodder to feed the ever-growing beast.

Till they can do that, till they're WILLING to do that, no matter what it takes, no third party is worth my vote.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Kerry almost as I hate Bush the Bungler, but seeing how NO ONE has been punished or held accountable for this total FUBAR - it's up to us to get out the paddle and spank ole George right out of public office.

And if Kerry screws it up just as bad, IMPEACH his waffling arse - it's just that simple.
We pay them to get a job done, and if it ain't getting done, we need to FIRE them.

So here's to handing those bungling incompetents some pink slips, and a waffling idiot is the only thing we have to replace em, there's plenty more pink paper in my printer....

You are "We the people", the power is yours - play to WIN, for once, instead of playing 'nice'.

-F
(Umm, for them that don't already know, i'm an anarchist of the non-pacifist stripe, so take that into account here...)

THEGREYJEDI

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:35 PM

I'm going to wait for the country to fall apart, then take over.

Either that, or whoever brings gas prices down about a full dollar first.

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:37 PM

Fremdfirma

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

That's Dean yell, BTW. I guess I'm an anrchist too, since I am totally behind what y'all said!

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:16 AM

Quote:
Quote:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Osama might very well be dead.
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Show me the corpse.

Daisy Cutters don't leave 'corpses'.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:20 PM

Auraptor- My, but you change evidential requirements very quickly! One moment you're pointing to "mountains of evidence"

www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=7602

the next thing you're pointing to a void! Please, please, please- don't EVER work in law enforcement!

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ooo imma prolly annoy some folk, but what the hell...

Kerry, know why ?

It ain't even about mosta the issues, you see, I don't even truly mind the whole world conquest game, save for one pointed factor.

THEY BUNGLED IT.

We coulda used a combination of shyster diplomacy, assassination (c'mon, it's a time-honored *tradition* of american politics and foreign policy), economic squeeze plays to have everything we wanted, and if we'd played it right, they'd have been happy to give it to us!

Use someone else's troops as cannon fodder, then move in an 'secure' the resources you want, "ok, we'll take it from here, folks.."

Not all wars are decided on the battlefield, some are truly decided in the stock market floor, or the negotiating table - you use the best tactics for the situation, instead of going toe-to-toe in situations where your opponent has every advantage over you, and you DON'T let your ego prevent you from using allies to pick up the slack, even if you have to play nice with them for a little while, and you don't "stay the course" when yer headed for an iceberg, you change your tactics!

So, the current administration has completely BUNGLED the world conquest game, and like any employee who totally screws the pooch, they're gonna be FIRED.

As for third parties ? sure, they sound like they got a plan, but they DON'T... they come to a rigged game and play it by the cheaters rules, and then expect to get anywhere? PUH-leaze.
You can NOT 'play nice' in politics and win, it's a dirty, shameful business where an incumbent has EVERY advantage, from press coverage to gerrymandering - and the only way they ever really lose is if an opponent plays real hardball with em, and they're an incompetent bungler to boot.

There IS no 'play nice' that's gonna work when it comes to third parties, the only one even CLOSE to angry enough was Dean, and he allowed the press (fully in the control of the incumbents) to set his pace, his race - and paid the price for it.

I will not vote for a third party till they're angry enough and MEAN enough, to ram the iron fist of the american peoples' suzerainty down the throat of the politican machine till it chokes, and then put the big bad boot of the people up the rear of corporate american and the military-industrial complex that's turned us all into tax-slave fodder to feed the ever-growing beast.

Till they can do that, till they're WILLING to do that, no matter what it takes, no third party is worth my vote.

Don't get me wrong, I despise Kerry almost as I hate Bush the Bungler, but seeing how NO ONE has been punished or held accountable for this total FUBAR - it's up to us to get out the paddle and spank ole George right out of public office.

And if Kerry screws it up just as bad, IMPEACH his waffling arse - it's just that simple.
We pay them to get a job done, and if it ain't getting done, we need to FIRE them.

So here's to handing those bungling incompetents some pink slips, and a waffling idiot is the only thing we have to replace em, there's plenty more pink paper in my printer....

You are "We the people", the power is yours - play to WIN, for once, instead of playing 'nice'.

-F
(Umm, for them that don't already know, i'm an anarchist of the non-pacifist stripe, so take that into account here...)

One word..SWEET. You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately for the third parties, they just don't have the funding to get recognized. I'm voting for Badnarik, because I can't in any good faith vote for Bush( I'll import vaccines from Canada, but I won't allow the importation of cheaper drugs..what a shithead, with all due respect to the position) or Heinz Kerry (I mean comeon..how can you take anyone seriously that can marry a psycho like her, even though she has the big bucks to fund his presidential campaign LOL). I'm a firm believer , that if you don't vote..even if it's a protest vote or a write-in, you have no room to bitch about the results..and god knows I love to bitch.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:47 PM

Quote:
Auraptor- My, but you change evidential requirements very quickly! One moment you're pointing to "mountains of evidence"

.

Actually, that is what I got my degree in.

But you're comparing apples to oranges, and your segue from one to the other is not but a big non sequitur. OBL may or may NOT be alive. I've not made an affirmative claim either way on that one. As for WMD, there's no question what so ever Iraq had 'em, tried to hide 'em and likely DID scurry some out of country, or bury them in the Iraqi sands. That fits their M.O., and there's nothing to suggest otherwise.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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