More great moments from that religion of PEACE !
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Saturday, October 25, 2025 15:40
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Well, it's only a pickle if you have the best interests of the USA population at heart. Not so much of a pickle if you're looking at the situation from a well-protected, handsomely-paid government/military sinecure, like being Scy of State or Scy of Defense. Then, quite frankly, you probably don't worry about radical Islam because it's never going to touch you personally.
Nearly everything that the USA has done in the mideast, as a matter of foreign/military policy, has had only one consistent effect: To enhance and promote radical Islam.
Seriously, think about it: The most secular (ie non-religious) governments were Iraq, Libya, and Syria. If we really wanted to starve al Qaida/ ISIS/ al Nusra etc we would simply have let these governments stay in place because their leaders would have denied radical jihadists vast stretches of the Mideast.
So, who is behind al Qaida/ al Nusra/ ISIS? It's not Syria, it's not the Houthis, it's not the (former) Iraq or Libya, it's not even Iran. Nonetheless, these Sunni radicals get their money and their guns from somewhere.
Just because Saudi Arabia sells us oil at favorable prices doesn't make them modern or moderate: Their official religion is the most-fundamental of fundamentalisms (Wahabbism), and they have used their fantastic oil wealth to fund and arm radical Sunni fundamentalists (al Qaida, al Nusra) all over the Mideast, South Asia, and North Africa. The former head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar "Bush", had NO PROBLEMS threatening the Sochi Olympics with Chechen Islamic terrorists... clearly, Saudi Arabia sees radical terrorists as THEIR tool.
And just because Israel is in the Mideast doesn't mean they're fighting radical Islam for us... has Israel ever been attacked by al Qaida or al Nusra or ISIS? NO!!!
SO DON'T THINK THAT SAUDI ARABIA OR ISRAEL IS OUR FRIEND OR ALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING SUNNI TERRORISTS.
They couldn't give a crap about that- the Sunni terrorist organizations are the Saudi's tools, and Saudi Arabia and Israel have an arrangement. Until al Qaida, ISIS, al Nusra, or any of the Sunni terrorist groups actually attacks Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv, you can be sure that they are under the control of Saudi Arabia.
If you REALLY want to fight radical Islam, starve whatever Saudi Arabia is doing in the Mideast. If that means making peace with Iran ... which is far more reasonable than Saudi Arabia... so be it. If that means supporting Houthis against Saudi incursion, or at least enforcing a no-fly zone against the Saudi air force, so be that too.
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So, again- QUICK! Houthis versus Saudis/ISIS!
Who do we back???
This is a real doozy for Obama. I mean, John Kerry has been wearing out his knee pads trying to appease the Iranians, but then Yemen has been Obama's GREAT success in the war on - someone , so this really is a pickle.
I still go with the WASWAS option. We just need to wait for 2 years.
Think of that: after 8 years of constantly going backwards on every subject, we could go forward and make progress.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, it's only a pickle if you have the best interests of the USA population at heart. Not so much of a pickle if you're looking at the situation from a well-protected, handsomely-paid government/military sinecure, like being Scy of State or Scy of Defense. Then, quite frankly, you probably don't worry about radical Islam because it's never going to touch you personally.
Interesting point. We should relocate their offices in the World Trade Center towers, or in the rubble/landfill where they reside. When a real President is elected, we could relocate those offices elsewhere.
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I think the entire Congress, the White House, the Judiciary, and all of their lobbyists and aides and Washington-beat reporters, sycophants, more lobbyists, aparatchiks, functionaries and hangers-on should all be re-located HERE
or HERE
to remind them who they truly work for. Dems and Repubs both.
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SAUDI ARABIA - YET ANOTHER GREAT MOMENT FROM THAT RELIGION OF PEACE!
(Fighting the Houthis, making way for ISIS)
Saudi-Led Airstrikes Used Cluster Munitions in Yemen
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(Beirut) – Credible evidence indicates that the Saudi-led coalition used banned cluster munitions supplied by the United States in airstrikes against Houthi forces in Yemen, Human Rights Watch said today. Cluster munitions pose long-term dangers to civilians and are prohibited by a 2008 treaty adopted by 116 countries, though not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or the United States.
Photographs, video, and other evidence have emerged since mid-April 2015 indicating that cluster munitions have been used during recent weeks in coalition airstrikes in Yemen’s northern Saada governorate, the traditional Houthi stronghold bordering Saudi Arabia. Human Rights Watch has established through analysis of satellite imagery that the weapons appeared to land on a cultivated plateau, within 600 meters of several dozen buildings in four to six village clusters.
“Saudi-led cluster munition airstrikes have been hitting areas near villages, putting local people in danger,” said Steve Goose, arms director at Human Rights Watch. “These weapons should never be used under any circumstances. Saudi Arabia and other coalition members – and the supplier, the US – are flouting the global standard that rejects cluster munitions because of their long-term threat to civilians.”
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I don't see 'Stark' written on this one.
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Because nothing says "al Qaida, Nusra, and ISIS are OURS" like supporting them against the one stable government in the region.
Turkish officials confirm pact with Saudi Arabia to help rebels [ie ISIS, al Qaida, Nusra- -SIGNY] fighting Syria's Bashar Assad
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Casting aside U.S. concerns about aiding extremist groups, Turkey and Saudi Arabia have converged on an aggressive new strategy to bring down Syrian President Bashar Assad. ....[which means, CONTINUING to aid Nusra, al Qaida, and ISIS ... yanno, like they've been doing all along!-SIGNY]
The two countries — one a democracy, the other a conservative kingdom — have for years been at odds over how to deal with Assad, their common enemy. But mutual frustration with what they consider American indecision has brought the two together in a strategic alliance that is driving recent rebel gains in northern Syria, and has helped strengthen a new coalition of anti-Assad insurgents, Turkish officials say.
That is provoking concern in the United States, which does not want rebel groups, including the al-Qaida linked Nusra Front, uniting to topple Assad. The Obama administration worries that the revived rebel alliance could potentially put a more dangerous radical Islamist regime in Assad's place, just as the U.S. is focused on bringing down the Islamic State group. A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issues, said the administration is concerned that the new alliance is helping Nusra gain territory in Syria.
The coordination between Turkey and Saudi Arabia reflects renewed urgency and impatience with the Obama administration's policy in the region. Saudi Arabia previously kept its distance and funding from some anti-Assad Islamist groups at Washington's urging, according to Turkish officials. Saudi Arabia and Turkey also differed about the role of the international Islamist group, the Muslim Brotherhood, in the Syrian opposition. Turkey supports the group, while the Saudi monarchy considers it a threat to its rule at home; that has translated into differences on the ground — until recently.
"The key is that the Saudis are no longer working against the opposition," a Turkish official said. He and other officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.
Turkish officials say the Obama administration has disengaged from Syria as it focuses on rapprochement with Iran. While the U.S. administration is focused on degrading the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, they say it has no coherent strategy for ending the rule of Assad, Iran's key ally in the region.
The new Turkish and Saudi push suggests that they view Assad as a bigger threat to the region than groups like Nusra. Turkish officials discount the possibility that Nusra will ever be in a position to hold sway over much of Syria.
Under Turkish and Saudi patronage, the rebel advance has undermined a sense that the Assad government is winning the civil war — and demonstrated how the new alliance can yield immediate results. The pact was sealed in early March when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan flew to Riyadh to meet Saudi's recently crowned King Salman. Relations had been tense between Erdogan and the late King Abdullah, in great part over Erdogan's support of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Saudi shift appears to be part of broader proxy war against Iran that includes Saudi-led airstrikes in Yemen against Iran-backed Houthi rebels. The new partnership adds Saudi money to Turkey's logistical support.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/apnewsbreak-turkey-saudi
-pact-anti-assad-rebels-30871699
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So, if you're REALLY worried about radical Islam, focus on Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, if you're REALLY worried about radical Islam, focus on Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey.
If Saudi Ariabis, Qatar, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, UAE, Yemen all wipe each other out, how is that a worry?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, if you're REALLY worried about radical Islam, focus on Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey.
If Saudi Ariabis, Qatar, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, UAE, Yemen all wipe each other out, how is that a worry?
Well for one thing, you can say goodbye to oil and gas from the region. For another, there is the problem of "blowback". And finally, I guess all of this weeping and wailing about the barbarity of radical Islam ... the beheadings the rapes, the tortures ... just so much go se. Right?
Yes, I thought so.
Your fantasies are stupid and boring.
Back to real life.
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