Age of Ultron
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Short, but not so sweet. The majority will love Ultron. When have I ever been in the majority?
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I just saw it, and I agree with several of the points. They picked Joss to get the job done. It had too much subject matter in it to make it flow. I felt like things were happening and THEN people were thinking about what to do. Blink- here's the bad guy. Blink- here's these new people. Blink-what side are the new people on and why did she lose her accent halfway through the movie? Blink blink blink blink.... Beam Thor in, Beam Thor out (His hair was icky looking, btw)
I too only caught about half of what was said because there was so much going on and so much to absorb and there seemed to not be clear recording during the first ten minutes or so. There WERE plenty of zingers, Joss style, but rushed
(Jarvis is my co-pilot- nod to us or nod that he's moved on, btw???).
Not that he didn't do his damnedest and I doubt anyone could have done better..
I wouldn't mind seeing the second half of the movie again, not so much the first half. The first half of the movie gave off this feeling of out-of-control-failure that was hard to sit through, like you had one of those no-pants dreams, or you got drunk and cheated on someone...I get it was supposed to bring them down emotionally so there could BE a flip side, but... it didn't seem to have a resolution before they just went on to the next battle. And there was a LOT of battle....
I will say Paul Bettany did a FABULOUS job with Vision.
They could have easily broke this movie up into two, but I think they knew that would've just been overkill. In trying to keep it interesting they mainly succeeding in making THIS movie a little bloated. But like everyone else has been saying, the A.D.D. riddled public will be ok with it anyway. Just a weigh-station to bigger plots anyhow...
Oh and DON'T STAY ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE CREDITS. Nuthin' there.
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For the most part, I agree. Way too intricate and involved with little or no payoff. They glossed over the dream sequences of the Avengers after the Scarlet Witch went poking around in their minds, the better to get in another half hour of destruction.
Joss worked his usual snappy dialogue magic and had us eating out of his hand, but those gems were sprinkled about as easily as manhole covers. There were moments that delivered, while still others that bludgeoned our senses. I got a little bored with all the destruction after 2 hours, but nothing could come close to Superman v. Zod in Man of Steel (That still holds the record). I'm not saying that it wasn't entertaining, it was, nor am I saying that the story (what there was of it) didn't move along, it certainly did, at times at breakneck speed. But it was mostly based on what Superheroes do, they battle the forces of evil and destroy a lot of stuff along the way.
They did try to soften it up by introducing a love interest between 2 of the Avengers (you'll have to see the movie to find out who, no spoilers here), which I thought was handled quite well by Joss. But that darn pesky Ultron kept interrupting. Suffice it to say that elements of the Avengers II were very entertaining, but Marvel has a tendency of overwhelming their audience, despite there being no need for such overkill.
Aside from Paul Bettany, who was very good as Vision, I got a kick out of James Spader as the title baddie, who made the trip interesting and fun. The kid had personality. I said to myself, hey this guy is devouring his role and enjoying every morsel. I could see why people flocked to this movie over the weekend, but I could also see why critics have mixed reviews. It was like trying to untangle Christmas tree lights that have been in the attic for about 3 years. You would like to see if it the bulbs still work, but oh those pesky wires.
SGG
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
Short, but not so sweet. The majority will love Ultron. When have I ever been in the majority?
http://templetongate.net/ageofultron.htm
I just saw it, and I agree with several of the points. They picked Joss to get the job done. It had too much subject matter in it to make it flow. I felt like things were happening and THEN people were thinking about what to do. Blink- here's the bad guy. Blink- here's these new people. Blink-what side are the new people on and why did she lose her accent halfway through the movie? Blink blink blink blink.... Beam Thor in, Beam Thor out (His hair was icky looking, btw)
I too only caught about half of what was said because there was so much going on and so much to absorb and there seemed to not be clear recording during the first ten minutes or so. There WERE plenty of zingers, Joss style, but rushed
(Jarvis is my co-pilot- nod to us or nod that he's moved on, btw???).
Not that he didn't do his damnedest and I doubt anyone could have done better..
I wouldn't mind seeing the second half of the movie again, not so much the first half. The first half of the movie gave off this feeling of out-of-control-failure that was hard to sit through, like you had one of those no-pants dreams, or you got drunk and cheated on someone...I get it was supposed to bring them down emotionally so there could BE a flip side, but... it didn't seem to have a resolution before they just went on to the next battle. And there was a LOT of battle....
I will say Paul Bettany did a FABULOUS job with Vision.
They could have easily broke this movie up into two, but I think they knew that would've just been overkill. In trying to keep it interesting they mainly succeeding in making THIS movie a little bloated. But like everyone else has been saying, the A.D.D. riddled public will be ok with it anyway. Just a weigh-station to bigger plots anyhow...
Oh and DON'T STAY ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE CREDITS. Nuthin' there.
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Et Tu Joss? It's sad that he fought for the very scenes I thought were clunky and should have gone. I mean I know that they were doing trick foreshadowing with the farm but the payoff didn't justify it. I was just like "oh I thought the other thing was going to happen but this is fine too whatever." It just wasn't emotional and didn't justify the build up. The dream sequences were very jumbled IMO and didn't add much of anything to the movie. I'd be fine with them just saying Scarlett Witch can make people see their worst fears or something and never actually show what the characters saw. Either that or they should have devoted more time to the dream sequences and made them more significant. The best one IMO what Tony's but it still was unclear exactly what he saw or what he took away from it.
Sorry Joss. I think the studio was right on this one. Except for the cave scene thing. That could have gone too.
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I wasn't too happy with the dream sequences either, but knowing how Joss works, there may be a payoff somewhere down the line. By the way, I would trust Elizabeth Olsen with River's story, that's just me. I agree they should have only shown bits and pieces with only key characters - I did not understand the whole Captain America sequence, not one bit, except that he was thinking of his one true love and his past. Duh! normal for anyone, but what does that have to do with Ultron and his path to destruction? Iron Man's sequence was somewhat significant, but still confusing as to how that fits in to the task at hand.
I know that Joss can handle multiple characters and their motivations, but in this case I was unable to follow his lead. Perhaps not showing as much as he did would have been better, then slowly revealing the truth behind the key elements of those dreams. Again, the payoff may come much later, perhaps the next Avengers or in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Thor's dream, was significant, but we were not privy to what and how that fit into the overall plot. Did you see any of that coming? That whole infinity stone vibe. I didn't! I did like, however, how Joss set things in motion for us (the audience) to question Ironman's motives. He got me on that one. For a split second I thought that he perhaps was still under the Scarlet Witch's spell. Like No. 2: Thor's hammer sequence from the party and how it paid off later when Vision was introduced. Brilliant! Like No. 3: The Big Green Guy and Natasha, it reminded me of Simon and Kaylee, The Dork and The Hottie, classy with out it getting to syrupy.
Like No. 4: Hulk's Exile. Again, as a kid growing up and reading comics, I remember the Hulk brooding and flying off somewhere to consider his lot in life. Joss apparently was also thinking of that part of the Hulk's existence in the comic world.
Overall, I liked the film, but there was so much to take in. Joss trusted, perhaps too much, that the audience would unquestionably follow his lead and return that trust. I'm still trying to figure out what Joss was looking to say in this installment, perhaps just another superhero movie, I'm not quite certain. This will get a second viewing when it comes out on DVD. Maybe then I'll get it.
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Semi-spoilery stuff:Select to view spoiler:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/joss-whedon-fighting-marvel-over-avenge
rs-age-ultron-040034343.html
Et Tu Joss? It's sad that he fought for the very scenes I thought were clunky and should have gone. I mean I know that they were doing trick foreshadowing with the farm but the payoff didn't justify it. I was just like "oh I thought the other thing was going to happen but this is fine too whatever." It just wasn't emotional and didn't justify the build up. The dream sequences were very jumbled IMO and didn't add much of anything to the movie. I'd be fine with them just saying Scarlett Witch can make people see their worst fears or something and never actually show what the characters saw. Either that or they should have devoted more time to the dream sequences and made them more significant. The best one IMO what Tony's but it still was unclear exactly what he saw or what he took away from it.
Sorry Joss. I think the studio was right on this one. Except for the cave scene thing. That could have gone too.
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Yeah I think I need a second viewing as well to follow all of it. I think it may have just thrown too much at the audience too quickly to catch it all.
I agree that on the hammer being excellent. It was funny at the time and then had a huge payoff. However, that's my complaint with the romance. I didn't feel much of a payoff. All we got was some brooding by the end. Understandable brooding, but just not the payoff I'd expect. Again that could be just setting up for more in future installments.
For now just a good movie. Maybe it will improve with time. I feel like both the first Captain America and the first Thor have improved with time. I can appreciate more of what they did in those movies now that I've seen other installments.
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bump over troll.
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Excellent! Lots of Joss-isms and one scene at least that had me saying, "River Tam; Serenity!!"
Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox
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Okay Zeke, I guess we agree on most things with this movie (it's why we're here - Joss). One of the things I love about Joss' writing is that he takes time to set things up and then give us a good payoff. Here's the thing about that, Joss has several going at the same time - again, one of the things I loved about Firefly.
Joss takes this one step further, mainly because of the medium - movies. Now we gotta wait for that payoff (between Hulk/Banner and Natasha). Again, painstakingly set up by Joss in the first Avengers, continued in this one, Ultron; but it's not clear if he will get to finish the trilogy. So, who knows.
Joss' script writing has become that much more complete, I'm dying to know if they will ever give him a chance to film Serenity 2. As far as this movie is concerned, the jury is still out. It's incomplete. There's still another chapter, a final chapter? And will Joss get a chance to do it? Good questions SGG, I love the way your mind works? Why, thank you! No, thank YOU!
Ahhh, I kill me! ;-)
By the way, I like the way your mind works: I agree wholeheartedly about Captain America and Thor franchises, well done. Both Evans and Hemsworth have done excellent jobs in their roles. Well-written, acted and directed (well, Thor 2 was a bit heavy-handed, otherwise great job overall).
SGG
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Yeah I think I need a second viewing as well to follow all of it. I think it may have just thrown too much at the audience too quickly to catch it all.
I agree that on the hammer being excellent. It was funny at the time and then had a huge payoff. However, that's my complaint with the romance. I didn't feel much of a payoff. All we got was some brooding by the end. Understandable brooding, but just not the payoff I'd expect. Again that could be just setting up for more in future installments.
For now just a good movie. Maybe it will improve with time. I feel like both the first Captain America and the first Thor have improved with time. I can appreciate more of what they did in those movies now that I've seen other installments.
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What's been fascinating about watching these heroes grow is how disposable their villains have become. Villains like the Red Skull (Captain America: The First Avenger), Ronan the Accuser (Guardians of the Galaxy), the Mandarin (Iron Man 3), and now Ultron of Avengers: Age of Ultron are enduring foes, returning again and again in the comic books, but they all have incredibly short cinematic lives. Such villains have become strawmen, vehicles to get us from one point in the Marvel universe to another, rather than fully fleshed-out characters.
Conversely, developed villains like Loki (Tom Hiddleston) and the Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan) have helped make Captain America: Winter Soldier and The Avengers so very good. www.vox.com/2015/5/5/8551231/avengers-age-of-ultron-villain
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I do look forward to seeing more Winter Soldier.
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