2 of Bali 9 executed early this morning.
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So, only 2 of the Bali 9... thanks for the correction. I only had heard that members of the Bali 9 were executed, w/ one's sentence being commuted.
I also thank MD for the correction. I have heard numerous MSM reports that the executions were all of the Bali 9 except the one commutation. Not that I am surprised the MSM reported lies - that is what they do.
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So, only 2 of the Bali 9... thanks for the correction. I only had heard that members of the Bali 9 were executed, w/ one's sentence being commuted.
I also thank MD for the correction. I have heard numerous MSM reports that the executions were all of the Bali 9 except the one commutation. Not that I am surprised the MSM reported lies - that is what they do.
It's just sloppy reporting. Now, I knew 2 of those executed were Australians, which is what got me interested in the story, as I was listening to Aussie radio as they were talking about the impending sentence that was going to be carried out. I tuned in during the day ( our time ) and it was early morning Sydney time. The executions had taken place at around 3:30 in the morning, which is something I'd never heard of before. I guess they chose the middle of the night to avoid more media scrutiny.
The Aussies I heard calling in were very put out by the executions, to say the least.
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That's their "War on (Some) Drugs", AND WHO ARE WE TO COMPLAIN?
If they believe in harsh sentencing for drug crimes, so do we. If they use capital punishment, so do we. If their inmates languish on Death Row for over a decade, so do ours. If their Death Row prisoners have mitigating circumstances, well, quite a few of our executed prisoners were mentally retarded or mentally ill. If some of their Death Row prisoners are innocent or at least guilty of lesser crimes, well then- quite a few of our inmates on Death Row were ultimately found innocent (after decades and decades in jail) because DNA evidence found the convicted person was not at the scene of the crime.
YOU GO, BALI! AND WELCOME ABOARD! [/sarcasm]
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The reason why I bring this up is not because I'm saying "We're terrible" or even "We're just as bad as "they" are".
What I find ... remarkable ... is that in thread after thread, and post after post, Americans look on in wonderment, or fear, or disgust, on what "other people" do when quite often they would find that the USA does exactly the same thing, if only they looked at events objectively.
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That chart looks like the Clinton reign had banner years
Boy, are you dumb. I mean really, flagrantly dumb. Tell me, boy, as governor of Missouri in 1999, how many of those 10 executions did Clinton preside over? And also as governor of Oklahoma in 1999, how many of those 6 executions did Clinton preside over? And as governor of South Carolina in 1999 as well, how many of those 4 executions did Clinton preside over? In addition as governor of Virginia in 1999, how many of those 14 executions did Clinton preside over? I KNOW! In 1999 when he was ALSO governor of Texas how many of those 35 executions did he preside over?
When you can show us he presided over those executions as governor in those states, you'll redeem yourself. Until then ...
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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That's their "War on (Some) Drugs", AND WHO ARE WE TO COMPLAIN?
If they believe in harsh sentencing for drug crimes, so do we. If they use capital punishment, so do we. If their inmates languish on Death Row for over a decade, so do ours. If their Death Row prisoners have mitigating circumstances, well, quite a few of our executed prisoners were mentally retarded or mentally ill. If some of their Death Row prisoners are innocent or at least guilty of lesser crimes, well then- quite a few of our inmates on Death Row were ultimately found innocent (after decades and decades in jail) because DNA evidence found the convicted person was not at the scene of the crime.
YOU GO, BALI! AND WELCOME ABOARD! [/sarcasm]
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Quite correct. People are calling for a boycott of travel to Indonesia, and I'm saying - you better boycott the US then and China.
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One of the men put to death was mentally ill and didn't understand he was to be executed.
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Bali Nine: 'Very strong' Chan and Sukumaran 'died a respectful death' says priest
612 ABC Brisbane
Updated Thu at 4:48pm
Priest Charlie Burrows and Angelita Muxfeldt
Photo: Father Charlie Burrows with Rodrigo Gularte's cousin Angelita Muxfeldt (AFP: Romeo Gacad)
Related Story: Families await return of Bali Nine pair's bodies in next two days
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Australian drug smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were determined to die with dignity to avoid causing their parents unnecessary distress, according to a priest who was present when the men went to face the firing squad.
Father Charlie Burrows, who was acting as a spiritual adviser to Brazilian death row prisoner Rodrigo Muxfeldt Gularte, said he spoke briefly to the Australians about their rehabilitation moments before they shook hands with their warders and walked to the killing field.
"I congratulated them on their turnaround and they congratulated me on my work and that was their last words," he told 612 ABC Brisbane.
"Congratulations, you're doing a great job and congratulations, great that you've been able to turn your life around.
"I said that we pray for you and your families at this time of grief... it's a very difficult cross you have to carry."
The condemned men were tied to poles before being executed.
Father Burrows said that was to ensure the prisoners did not move around and to ensure the firing squad's aim was true.
"They were all very strong, the whole group was singing hymns ... and they chose to not be blindfolded.
"The whole idea of being strong at the execution time was to cause less suffering to the parents.
"If they heard their sons were screaming, that would really make life a lot more difficult.
"And there wasn't any screaming ... and they died a respectful death."
The men's families released a statement after the executions, saying they were immensely grateful for all the support they had received.
"Today we lost Myuran and Andrew. Our sons, our brothers. In the 10 years since they were arrested, they did all they could to make amends, helping many others. They asked for mercy, but there was none. They were immensely grateful for all the support they received. We too, will be forever grateful," the statement said.
Chan and Sukurmaran's bodies are now in the process of being returned to Australia for burial.
Brazilian man with schizophrenia unaware of what was happening
Catholic nuns pray beside the coffin of Rodrigo Gularte at a funeral home in Jakarta.
Photo: Catholic nuns pray beside the coffin of Rodrigo Gularte at a funeral home in Jakarta. (Reuters)
Father Burrows said Gularte, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, did not understand what was happening to him until his final moments.
Brazil had made repeated personal pleas for Indonesia to commute his sentence on humanitarian grounds, citing his mental illness.
Father Burrows said he thought he had prepared the Brazilian for the execution.
"I thought I'd got him ready, that he was going to be put in chains, because he didn't like being touched ... I said to him, 'well I'm 72, when you get up to heaven you'll know where I'm going to live, prepare a garden or something'," Father Burrows said.
Gularte was calm as he was handcuffed by warders but became agitated when he was handed over to police who put leg chains on him.
"I thought he'd got the message he was to be executed but ... when the chains started to go on, he said to me, 'Oh father, am I being executed?'" the priest said.
Father Burrows, who witnessed the execution of another Brazilian prisoner in January, said Gularte continued to hear voices in his final days telling him everything would be fine.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The reason why I bring this up is not because I'm saying "We're terrible" or even "We're just as bad as "they" are".
What I find ... remarkable ... is that in thread after thread, and post after post, Americans look on in wonderment, or fear, or disgust, on what "other people" do when quite often they would find that the USA does exactly the same thing, if only they looked at events objectively.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
Same here. The inconsistency drives me crazy. The same government who gnashed its teeth (quite rightly) over this, locks up children who are refugees. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/children-in-d
etention-tony-abbott-takes-aim-at-the-messenger-20150212-13csuv.html And locks up refugees indefinitely in shocking conditions http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-01/opposition-criticise-lack-refuge
e-resettlement-from-manus-island/6437892. It's the same party who refused to get involved in Indonesian executions when it was the Bali bombers http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-10-10/howard-stands-by-death-penalty-f
or-terrorists/694212 and refused to intervene when an Australian national was held at Guantanamo Bay and subject to torture http://www.smh.com.au/national/guantanamo-bay-foi-reveals-howard-gover
nment-knew-david-hicks-would-not-get-a-fair-trial-20131228-300oy.html and is implicit in the forced closure of indigenous communities.
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Quote:Oh, for a moment there I thought you were talking abut Texas! Texans in particular just LOVE to execute the mentally incompetent and the insane!
One of the men put to death was mentally ill and didn't understand he was to be executed.
Yes, I know what you mean about inconsistency. The rightwing is always complaining about something they call "moral relativism", and yet they're its greatest subconscious practitioners.
I despair of people sometimes. How will we ever survive the time when we collectively hit the wall on resource limitations if we can barely scrape together a few rational thoughts? (Rational- to ratio, to compare objectively) People here still think we're going to ravage the earth and then move on to Mars??? That's we're going to make it through with "Every man for himself and god against all"?
Sheesh!
Sorry for the OT rant.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Oh, for a moment there I thought you were talking abut Texas! Texans in particular just LOVE to execute the mentally incompetent and the insane!
One of the men put to death was mentally ill and didn't understand he was to be executed.
I thought the claim to fame for Texas death row was forcing the defendant to watch their lawyer sleep during the entire trial, without being allowed to wake up the officer.
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