Are we living in a modern day facist Nazi Germany

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PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:43 PM

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Well, if you know anything about history at all (which it sounds like you don't -- not trying to be mean, just honest), you know that the situation America is in today, both economically and politically -- is nowhere NEAR the situation Germany was in when Hitler began his rise to power.

did you even read my post..obviously not because if you had you would have read where I said our circumstances are not the same as Germany and I also said that histroy never repeats itself in exactly the same way...

I know alot about histroy.. I'm not trying to argue but have a discussion

(geez)

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:26 PM

The only folks who are scared of us living in anything remotely resembling to what this thread suggets are :

a) The extreme fringe nut case conspiracy loonies. These folks are always going to be around, sad to say. How quickly we as a country forget the nonsensical Y2K scare of just a few yrs ago. Yes, Y2K would hit and completely shut down the grid from coast to coast,and Bill Clinton would decalare himself Tzar of America as he orders Matial Law, suspends elections, suspends civil liberties, opens up concentration camps ( folks really did report seeing these being set up, if you recall ) ..the list was ENDLESS! Jan 1 rolled around, traffic lights, toasters, ATM's, coffee makers, etc..all worked. No, your credit card records weren't erased, so all those big $ items you thought you'd not have to pay off showed up on next months statement. Damnit.

b) The other group of folks who are quick to toss out the 'NAZI' cry are simply those who have no clue of history. By trying to compare what is going on today w/ what ocured back then, they not only are being reckless w/ the facts, they minimize the true oppression of what DID occur some 70yrs ago.

So, plaese spare us the 'chicken little ' cries that the sky is falling and we're sinking into a Fascist regiem. The last thing we need are more drama queens. Relax, live life and count the days 'till Serenity.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

GEEZER

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I sometimes wonder if we as Americans are living in the beginning stages of Nazi Germany, I wonder how the Germans in Germany felt during those horendous times.. did they realize what was happening to their country???

Sorry, but you missed it by 50 years or so. Look into the McCarthy hearings and the communist witch-hunt of the early '50s to see a better example of home-grown Nazism, complete with commies/pinkos/fellow travelers playing the whipping-boy role that the Jews had in Germany. Fortunately, we got over it.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

WYDRAZ

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:02 PM

I'm not a fan of Bush (or Kerry), and this is a bit off topic, but I had to respond to this thought:

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Originally posted by soundhack:

... This president seems to think there should be no end to tax cuts: Good times or bad, we should have tax cuts. Taken to its (absurd) conclusion, that would mean we have no tax at all. I hope everyone can agree that we can not have a government with no taxes at all.

In response to World War II, the US government began directly withholding income tax from wages on July 10, 1943. (Do a google search if you don't believe me.) It was supposed to be a temporary measure. What's "absured" is that is still exists.

Income tax can arguable be called illegal in America, but there you are. Before WWII, the governemt used other taxes -- Income tax is a double tax. They tax you when you earn it, and they tax you when you spend it.

Does that seem right to you?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:22 AM

Not totally pertinent to the question, THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE magazine sees such a threat in Bush that they have taken the unprecedented step of endorsing Kerry. Obviously, the see somehting very dangerous in the Bush administration. It's very long, so I'll condense it:

Kerry’s the One

By Scott McConnell

There is little in John Kerry’s persona or platform that appeals to conservatives...
But this election is not about John Kerry... It is, instead, an election about the presidency of George W. Bush. To the surprise of virtually everyone, Bush has turned into an important president, and in many ways the most radical America has had since the 19th century. ... Bush has behaved like a caricature of what a right-wing president is supposed to be.... The launching of an invasion against a country that posed no threat to the U.S., the doling out of war profits and concessions to politically favored corporations, the financing of the war by ballooning the deficit to be passed on to the nation’s children, the ceaseless drive to cut taxes for those outside the middle class and working poor: it is as if Bush sought to resurrect every false 1960s-era left-wing cliché about predatory imperialism and turn it into administration policy.... In Europe and indeed all over the world, he has made the United States despised by people who used to be its friends... Bush has accomplished this by giving the U.S. a novel foreign-policy doctrine under which it arrogates to itself the right to invade any country it wants if it feels threatened. ... The hatred Bush has generated has helped immeasurably those trying to recruit anti-American terrorists—indeed his policies are the gift to terrorism that keeps on giving.

... Bush’s public performances plainly show him to be a man who has never read or thought much about foreign policy.... The record is one of an administration with a very small group of six or eight real decision-makers who were set on war from the beginning... and it is peculiar that one who was fired from the National Security Council in the Reagan administration for suspicion of passing classified material to the Israeli embassy and another who has written position papers for an Israeli Likud Party leader have become key players in the making of American foreign policy.

... The only way Americans will have a presidency in which neoconservatives and the Christian Armageddon set are not holding the reins of power is if Kerry is elected.

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:16 AM

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Nope, We arn't, sorry.

how can you be so sure, nothing stays the same thats the law of nature, I'm sure there were alot of Germans who said the same thing!!

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If I were you, I'd be far more concerned about the creeping in of socialism, or something actually and currently relevant to the taking of YOUR freedoms. I don't know about you, but I'm still feeling a lot more oppresed by taxes and the fact I will pay in but never see a dime from Social Security than Iraq policy.

Since this is all about hateing the president and current foreign policy, let me point out you got a perfectly valid chance coming up to elect them out of office. And contrary to what this post is backwards implying, the current administration will be happy to step down if they lose the election.

Socialism in this material driven society is the least of my concerns..its more facism thats rearing its ugly head , just look at all the Corporations who are controlling things

This isn't about hating the president, I presently don't hate Bush or the admistration, they scare me, unlike you I don't believe that this administration would be happy to step down if they loose, seeing as how they stole the 1rst election ..and I do believe it was stolen..and some of the very same tactics are still being used, but I'm guessing by your post your clueless about such things. and I don't need to imply anything I said exactly what I mean't to say..no need to imply!!

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:31 AM

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If your referring to the Patriot ACT. I have yet to meet a man or hear of a man that was put away for selling weed and the patriot act is what caught him. Its for finding terrorists. None of my rights have been taken away. I can still talk trash about the government, even though I work for them. .

yes I am referring to the Patriot ACT,, but thats my big problem with the Patriot ACT, its not going to effect any terrorist, its going to effect Americans, terrorist are going to do what they will and what they want, the laws are an encroachment on our freedoms..and they are a gateway to lead to other things

one thing I understand and that history has shown and proven, power is like a drug, the more someone has the more they want, it will start with the Patriot Act..but where will it end???

this is what we have to be aware of!!

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Until they start publicly beheading folk on the common for speaking out against the government, I think your still safe.

see this is what I'm afraid of, not to say that I think they'll behead people publicly, but does it have to get that far before we realize whats happening.

I think thats what happened with alot of Germans , they ingnored things until it got so bad they were afraid to do anything

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:51 AM

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I believe that the forces of totalitarianism have been making some serious inroads in the past couple of years. The disdain for intellectuals and the demonizing of the arts by the right-wing is very disturbing. The wholesale use of derision in lieu of logical argumentation by the right-wing at the highest levels of policy is fascistic. The prevalent notion that there is no actual truth out there--only spin; that all opinions amount to propaganda is a seminal fascist notion. The way Bush and Cheney & co. will say a thing and then a few months later deny ever having said it constitutes a willful disregard for reality and history. The perceived need for world military domination is something only fascists need. But the single greatest totalitarian trend in America today is that nearly half of the nation seems perfectly willing to go along. A fascist leader isn't gonna get very far unless people sign up to embrace their lies as truth and support their international adventurism in the name of peace and freedom.

yes it is unfortunate, that people seem to think its about hating the president..its not I've looked through this thread and I already see where they've brought up democrates and tit for tat....

I'm talking about whats happening now under this admistration, I understand that its very hard for some to even comtemplate America turning into a facist totalitarian like government, but if it does happen or something simular happens it will be those very people crying the loudest and asking themselves how did this happen!!

This current administration is creating their own reality, they obviously have a vision of what they want this nation to be, they are creating our future..a future that we have to live in

what people in this country seem to not realize is that we have alot of power we can too have a hand in creating what our future looks like, whats hard for me to believe that in a country as rich and self sustaining as ours that people are so ignorant..not just about things that go on in the world but even right here in our on country, we invaded Iraq and most Americans don't even know that Iraq is Mesopotamia , Summria, one the oldest high civilations, I just use that as an example

If we don't get off our butts and do something it doesn't matter if Bush is in office or not, our days as a Democracy will be numbered regardless!!

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:23 AM

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nope. Situation isn't anywhere close to Germany...

Germany was suffering from a huge a** war reperations debt forced upon it by the allies from World War I, their morale was at an all time low... and I mean, they were in a big big depression with inflation being insane. Their country was weak, it was getting bullied by all sides.

The rise of Hitler was only a natural response, Germans have a tendency to seek a strong patriarchal government which takes care of its people. And that's what happened...

...America as of yet is still able to bully other people, and despite the fact we're alienating others, we're not in any need of radical changes that could sway american public opinion to another preemptive strike. Iraq... was a freak accident. Its not possible to use 9/11 as a reason again for war.

...but i could be wrong.

I read this post an cringed for the obvious reasons. ( invading Iraq a freak accident )I have to admit that it sometimes baffles me that Americans and I too am an American can't see this happening to us..

It could happen here...Of course it wouldn't be exactly like Germany..thats for obvious reasons we aren't Germany and our circumstances aren't the same..but that doesn't mean that it won't happen here.

What goes up , will eventually come down, nothing remains the same nothing is constant, everything changes.

Yes your right when you say that America is still able to bully other countries, and because we are still able to do so, we the American people look on callously and arrogantly, Not all of us of course..

but whats going to happen when the day comes and it will come, when one of these countries we've bullied gets some Nuclear bombs that they can launch on us...

will we look on so arrogantly then!!...will we remain ignorant of the facts then will we sing the praises of an admistration like the current one, will be have Slogans like wanted dead or alive.

One day probably alot sooner then later with the way things are going one of these Countries, that we've bullied is going to whip our ass..every bully has its day..so we need to think long an hard about how we treat the world because we are a part of it

yeah its easy for us now..its easy to be ingnorant, but our attitude is going to be the end of us if we don't make some changes..not just our status in the world as a society..but our life!!

PIRATEJENNY

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:38 AM

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Higher taxes would make me not want to work as hard, as the bonus for working hard really wouldn't be worth the effort.

actually I wouldn't mind higher taxes if we had something to show for it like they do in countries such as Sweeden, those people pay high taxes , but they have some of the best living standards in the world they are highly educated, as long as you past your test universty is free, they have some of the best healthcare, they take great care of their ederly and children, yes they pay high taxes but their quality of life is superior

a country/ government is measured by how well it takes care of its people

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