Are you working on Firefly blueprints??????

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WADDLEDOODLE

Friday, October 22, 2004 1:42 AM

Good, I am too.

I'm trying to figure out the ships GENERAL TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:

03-K64 Mid-bulk,Radion cored,Multi role transport AKA Firefly-class transport

Details like the ships-

Overall length:

Width:

Height:

Wing-span:

Gross weight:

Gross Cargo Capacity:

Did I forget anything???

Anyone crunch some numbers? Anyone have an opinion? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Thanks!

MICHIZURE

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:53 PM

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Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
I'm trying to figure out the ships GENERAL TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:

"Midbulk transport, standard radion-accelerator core, classcode 03-K64, Firefly."

Overall length: 58.2m (Mr. Whedon says "191 feet" in "Serenity: the 10th Character" on the 4th DVD.)

The rest are estimates, based on pictures:

Height: 16m

Wing-span: 37m (engines extended)

Max Gross Takeoff Weight: probably around 4,000 tons

Cargo Bay: 15 x 12 x 5.6-8.4m, or 1,000-1,500m3

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WADDLEDOODLE

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:17 PM

Well done! Thanks very much....This will complete the blue prints and background I've been working on for the Firefly class. It's about 25 pages, over a year worth of work. How very sad it is not to sleep....lol.

WADDLEDOODLE

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Michizure:
Quote:
Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
I'm trying to figure out the ships GENERAL TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:

"Midbulk transport, standard radion-accelerator core, classcode 03-K64, Firefly."

Overall length: 58.2m (Mr. Whedon says "191 feet" in "Serenity: the 10th Character" on the 4th DVD.)

The rest are estimates, based on pictures:

Height: 16m

Wing-span: 37m (engines extended)

Max Gross Takeoff Weight: probably around 4,000 tons

Cargo Bay: 15 x 12 x 5.6-8.4m, or 1,000-1,500m3

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Okat...follow up questions:

1)The 191 feet comment...do you believe he was talking about the size of the ACTUAL set -OR- the hypothetical ship? It sounds like such an odd number to pull out of the air, so I'm inclined to believe it's the set. I'm thinking the Firefly may actually be a little longer.

2) Cargo bay volume...Traveller specs? If so, good choice. How did you arrive at that set of figures?

3) Cargo capacity in Tonnage class. As in, "1,000 Ton cargo capacity."

All comments appreciated!

MICHIZURE

Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:55 PM

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Originally posted by WaddleDoodle:
1)The 191 feet comment...do you believe he was talking about the size of the ACTUAL set -OR- the hypothetical ship?

When I estimated the length from features in the photographs (e.g., hatches, windows), I got ~60m. Since the set ends well before the actual aft of the ship, I tend to believe Mr. Whedon was talking the ship, not the set.

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2) Cargo bay volume...Traveller specs? If so, good choice. How did you arrive at that set of figures?

Not Traveller: that would be in dtons, not cubic meters. Again, I measured what I could from available drawings and photos, and estimated the rest. The uncertainty is mostly due to the catwalks -- can they be removed and stowed, or not?

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3) Cargo capacity in Tonnage class. As in, "1,000 Ton cargo capacity."

That's a loaded question (pardon the pun), as there are several different sorts of "ton" in general usage.

Most surface ships displace 3.2-3.5m3 per deadweight ton; this is the figure I used to come up with the "around 4,000 tons GTOW" from 11,000 m3. At this rate, the cargo capacity might be ~400 tons (300-480 tons range).

Another measure is a "register ton," which is 100 ft3 or 2.8 m3. That would result in a cargo capacity more like 360-540 tons. This is a good average figure for general cargo (which is why it's defined that way) but doesn't account for extremely dense objects like steel pipe.

A good upper bound is probably related to area more than volume, as it reflects what the deck can withstand. At 180m2 and 4 tons/m2, that's a max capacity of 720 tons.

In Traveller dtons (14 m3 each), the hold is 72-108 dtons, out of a total displacement of ~800 dtons. Needless to say, dtons are much the largest "ton" measure used.

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WADDLEDOODLE

Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:38 AM

Okay Michizure, you get the shiney hat and a pat on the back.

Thanks for all your help.

Did I miss any other spec? Any thoughts?

This info will fit rather nicely on the main page.

The balance of what I've been doing over the past year is writing a detailed history of the Firefly and it variants. I'm up the 61st footnote.

Hey, what do you think about the means of propulsion? What sort of velocity are we talking here? I prefered to go the real science route with any divergance being based in reality. Are you one of those "warp", "stardrive" or "Stutterwarp" fellows?

Hey, you can e-mail me at:

kkusenko@nopworld.com

Drop me a line.

K

CAPNRAHN

Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:45 AM

I do believe Mr. Whedon was talking about the length of the built set not the vessel. Watch the tour of Serenity Set as well.

Call up zoic and see what they used as a benchmark and what sizes they used - since they put CGI folks thu the top galley window.

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

SHEPPARD

Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:11 PM

I have blueprints from the "press kit," but they're only of the engine room, corridor and doorway. Based on those set dimensions, I was actually considering drawing up scaled prints for the rest of the ship based on all the set pictures I have, and then I was going to enlist my company drafter to model Serenity in SolidWorks.... Yes, I'm a geek. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time. Call me crazy, but it still sounds like a very fun thing to do.

CAPNRAHN

Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:34 PM

Have you seen the deckplans gaidheal made and posted in the Blue Sun room? WOW.

Here are the links:

Upper and Lower Decks
http://fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=704

Mid-Decks
http://fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=705

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:43 PM

Wow, that's freakin' fascinating! :) If anyone does come up with a good propultion explanation, pass it along to me...I can use it in a story I'm working on right now.

-Taylor

Uncharted Outlaw!
"The secret is understanding time."
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