Are we living in a modern day facist Nazi Germany

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PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:01 AM

I sometimes wonder if we as Americans are living in the beginning stages of Nazi Germany, I wonder how the Germans in Germany felt during those horendous times.. did they realize what was happening to their country???

Or didn't they???

Is the same thing happening to Americans..only we can't see it and like the German's in Germany alot of us won't realize it until its to late to do anything about it.

The Bush administration and their tactics scare me, maybe America has had its day, everything changes sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse..in our case it seems to be the latter.

of course our circumstances aren't the same as Germany's, and history never repeats itself in exactly the same way

Of course most Americans I'm guessing would say.."but that can't or won't happen to us..we're Americans..this is America"

But I also wonder how many German's basically thought the same thing

Alot of Americans don't see or fail to realize that we are in fact the bad guys( this is a hard concept for some to wrap their brains around) we are the bullies(not us the American people but our government) We have a government that is not accountable for its actions, that constantly makes excuses and passes the buck everytime...we are building up a karmic debt..one that we will eventually have to pay..

I don't think its trite to say that our day is coming!!

Most Americans like to see our government and by extentions ourselves and our ideology as great and rightious..(Amrerica the brave the beautiful freeing the world from oppression)..all the while our own freedoms are being taken away right under our very own noses.

The world is watching us closely, isn't it our responssiblity to hold our Public servants accountable for the actions they take.

so I'll ask the question again..are we living in the beginning stages of Nazi Germany

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:55 AM

"I tremble for my country when I remember that God is just."

- Thomas Jefferson

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

GOJIRO

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:58 AM

Well, if you know anything about history at all (which it sounds like you don't -- not trying to be mean, just honest), you know that the situation America is in today, both economically and politically -- is nowhere NEAR the situation Germany was in when Hitler began his rise to power.

I'm not saying we need to keep Bush; in fact, I strongly believe he has to go. And I'm also not saying America is right and everything we do is great. Not at all. All I'm saying is that it's ludicrous to compare America today to Germany in the 1930s.

gojiro

DRBORIS

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:59 AM

Nope, We arn't, sorry. (Facist that is, since a few people posted while I was busy writing this) I know this would make some upcoming points WAY more justifiable, but this simply isn't the case. Just because you hate the current policy isn't a reason to call names that make no sense. I will remind you that the whole senate voted and arrived at a majority approving the begining of our wars, not just the president.

If I were you, I'd be far more concerned about the creeping in of socialism, or something actually and currently relevant to the taking of YOUR freedoms. I don't know about you, but I'm still feeling a lot more oppresed by taxes and the fact I will pay in but never see a dime from Social Security than Iraq policy.

Since this is all about hateing the president and current foreign policy, let me point out you got a perfectly valid chance coming up to elect them out of office. And contrary to what this post is backwards implying, the current administration will be happy to step down if they lose the election.

Before you call us all a bunch of un-awakened dweebs too, a good ammount of people in this nation who know history and concider the true aims of political leaders still belive we're doing the right thing, or at least somewhere close to the right thing or they wouldn't be voteing for Bush. The polls are not tied because people like Facism, I can gaurentee you that.

By the way, we're clearly such bullies for shutting down the torture rooms in Iraq and stopping the filling of mass graves there. We must be the bad guys because we're trying to shut down any network who funds or harbors terror.

(Don't worry, you won't hear from me anymore on this topic, I don't have the energy to fight, I just needed to speak my peace once...)

JHARROD

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:

all the while our own freedoms are being taken away right under our very own noses.

If your referring to the Patriot ACT. I have yet to meet a man or hear of a man that was put away for selling weed and the patriot act is what caught him. Its for finding terrorists. None of my rights have been taken away. I can still talk trash about the government, even though I work for them.

Until they start publicly beheading folk on the common for speaking out against the government, I think your still safe.

Oh one last thing, how about that assault weapons ban appealed? Thats giving more freedoms back to the American people if you ask me.

"They tell ya to never hit a man with a closed fist, but it is on occassion hilarious"

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:02 AM

Unfortunately, PirateJenny, an awful lot of people won't see any connection whatsoever between modern America and 30's Germany until we start gassing Jews and invading Poland. They think your question stems from your hatred of a president and not your concern for your fellow Americans and where we all are taking this country.

I believe that the forces of totalitarianism have been making some serious inroads in the past couple of years. The disdain for intellectuals and the demonizing of the arts by the right-wing is very disturbing. The wholesale use of derision in lieu of logical argumentation by the right-wing at the highest levels of policy is fascistic. The prevalent notion that there is no actual truth out there--only spin; that all opinions amount to propaganda is a seminal fascist notion. The way Bush and Cheney & co. will say a thing and then a few months later deny ever having said it constitutes a willful disregard for reality and history. The perceived need for world military domination is something only fascists need. But the single greatest totalitarian trend in America today is that nearly half of the nation seems perfectly willing to go along. A fascist leader isn't gonna get very far unless people sign up to embrace their lies as truth and support their international adventurism in the name of peace and freedom.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:47 PM

No, I don't think we are moving down the same path as that of Nazi Germany. I am starting to have some problems with the Patriot act because it's being used for other purposes then just tracking down extremists.

There is some evidence that I've read about where folks ARE being politically targetted and charges are being trumped up against them, under the auspices of the Patriot Act. I was an advocate initially of the Act. Now, the more I read , the more I recognize that there are some definite reforms that need to be made to it. I wrote recently to my congressman about it. I'll see if I can scan the damn letter I recieved back from the prick, and share it with you folks.

Strangely enough a guy renting part of a building from my company turned out to be a spook for the dept of homeland security. He (arabic descent) was the one responsible for getting a few folks nailed on weapons charges at a local Mosque. They were supposedly trying to sell rocket launchers to a person posing as an extremist, who claimed he wanted to buy them to shoot down some planes here in Albany. So far as it stands the evidence is very poor in that regard, though these Mosque leaders have definitely been very vocal about their sympathies abroad for some extremist causes.

Fortunately as a country we have checks and balances in place to prevent a Hitleresque situation from coming to fruition.

Unfortunately we have thousands of uninformed youth and equally uninformed adults, who treat politics like a baseball game and are attached to the party, all the while not paying attention to what the party is doing.

In my opinion we should do away with political parties in general. I also think we should eliminate lobbyists. Special interest groups are making it impossible for our government to get anything really done.

A friend recently told me he felt I was becoming liberalized (He tried to get me to read Ann Coulter's new book roflmao), because of my views changing in general on the term terrorism and the Patriot Act among other things. I prefer to think(and I told him so) that I am an independent thinker who isn't controlled by party loyalties or the media spew.

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

The disdain for intellectuals and the demonizing of the arts by the right-wing is very disturbing. The wholesale use of derision in lieu of logical argumentation by the right-wing at the highest levels of policy is fascistic. The prevalent notion that there is no actual truth out there--only spin; that all opinions amount to propaganda is a seminal fascist notion. The way Bush and Cheney & co. will say a thing and then a few months later deny ever having said it constitutes a willful disregard for reality and history. The perceived need for world military domination is something only fascists need. But the single greatest totalitarian trend in America today is that nearly half of the nation seems perfectly willing to go along. A fascist leader isn't gonna get very far unless people sign up to embrace their lies as truth and support their international adventurism in the name of peace and freedom.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Well..to play Devil's advocate, the Democrats have done the exact same thing and much more publicly. This isn't a tact that is relegated to the Republican ranks alone. I don't recall seeing a whole lot of disdain for intellectuals. Disdain for Celebrities (who claim to be intellectuals, but have a hard time saying the word) definitely..many are dumbasses and the majority are Democrats (Janeane Garafalo, Cybill Shepard and Babs are good examples, the Dems could have done loads better.. LOL) who get national coverage and spew inarticulate garbage and condescension, feeding the "Anchor trolls" as I like to affectionately call them.

Don't get me wrong..you have whackjobs like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh on the right as well. The problem lies in the fact that the whackjobs are offensive and demeaning to the average Joe (who may or may not be an intellectual) and they make the best news.

A good example of a non-offensive Celebrity intellectual..would be Bono from U2. He is the epitomy of what a celebrity should be like when pushing a cause. He's very articulate. He has SOLID statistics and information to support his causes and he comes across as being a compassionate non-partisan. I find I can get behind someone's cause, if it's not being stuffed down my throat by obvious partisan hackery (to quote Jon Stewart).

As for saying anything..well Kerry & company are the worst, a good example would be the SUV thing..that was mind numbing. That's why there is evidence that many people in the US just flat out don't trust Kerry and feel he'll say anything to get elected. Sadly, it is evident that both sides have their flipfloppers and bald-faced liars.

If Bush gets it into his head that he is going to invade all the Muslim countries and kill their leaders, followed up by installing Christian leaders in their places (What Ann Coulter is calling for), the backlash around the world, let alone in the US would be insurmountable. I don't think we'd see an impeachment process move quicker.

LEXIBLOCK

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:21 PM

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Originally posted by DrBoris:
Nope, We arn't, sorry. (Facist that is, since a few people posted while I was busy writing this) I know this would make some upcoming points WAY more justifiable, but this simply isn't the case. Just because you hate the current policy isn't a reason to call names that make no sense.

You are one of the people he was talking about, one of those who put their fingers in their ears and hum really loudly while chanting "WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS" over and over. Only a few people in the US LIKES the current policy! The rest of the world is devided into those who dislike it and those who despise it.

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I will remind you that the whole senate voted and arrived at a majority approving the begining of our wars, not just the president.

That just makes the crimes that much bigger (even though some say its because the president lied he managed to convince them)

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If I were you, I'd be far more concerned about the creeping in of socialism, or something actually and currently relevant to the taking of YOUR freedoms. I don't know about you, but I'm still feeling a lot more oppresed by taxes

This is typical of you selfcenterer american whiners! You have a damn low tax over there, yet you always bitch and complain. Here average tax is 60% - that is how it works in a CIVILIZED society. You want to be a selfcentered bastard who don't give a shit about others then move to the damn jungle!

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Since this is all about hateing the president and current foreign policy, let me point out you got a perfectly valid chance coming up to elect them out of office. And contrary to what this post is backwards implying, the current administration will be happy to step down if they lose the election.

No they won't. And should they win they probably will start trying to change the laws so the president can run a third time.

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Before you call us all a bunch of un-awakened dweebs too, a good ammount of people in this nation who know history and concider the true aims of political leaders still belive we're doing the right thing, or at least somewhere close to the right thing or they wouldn't be voteing for Bush. The polls are not tied because people like Facism, I can gaurentee you that.

As Joss says on the DVD commentaries "Everybody thinks he's righteous"

Hitler thought he was right, Saddam though he was right, Bin Laden thinks he is right (and both he and Bush talk to God who tells them what to do!)
And the unwashed Xenophobic masses of the US does not understand that the reason terrorism has gone so wildly up the last couple of years is because they have a president who ignores international law and acts like a mini dictator.

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By the way, we're clearly such bullies for shutting down the torture rooms in Iraq and stopping the filling of mass graves there. We must be the bad guys because we're trying to shut down any network who funds or harbors terror.

You are stil BLIND TO THE FACTS!!
It doesn't matter what YOU THINK - it's how others think that matters. The majority of the world said "don't start this war" - but Bush said screw you, we are going to war.
99% of the populations of the middle east HATE the US for that! They don't see anything noble abotu it, the see a rich money grubbing country invading a country for oil. If the US had waited it could have been different - now it isn't.
Even many Iraqis hate the US - just because they hated Saddam doesn't mean they don't hate the US.

Especially since the US does not want it to be a really free country, they want it to be a copy of the US.
If you gave the Iraqis the right to choose, they would not want a western democracy, they would want a religious priest driven society. But they can't have that if the US has its way, and so another country is learning to loathe the US.

Especially those who remember it was the US who helped Saddam get to power.

LEXIBLOCK

Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jharrod:
If your referring to the Patriot ACT. I have yet to meet a man or hear of a man that was put away for selling weed and the patriot act is what caught him. Its for finding terrorists. None of my rights have been taken away. I can still talk trash about the government, even though I work for them.

That's because you are living with your head up your ass, or only watching reality shows all day while stuffing your face.

If you read something else than the funny pages, you'd have read about case after case where people have been abused and violated. Do some googleing if you really want to be enlighented (which of course you wont, better to put your fingers in your ears and hum really loud)

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