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SIGNYM

Friday, January 30, 2015 11:06 PM

G, the USA has fomented "color revolutions" in many nations, Ukraine isn't the first.

Let me paint a picture:

Times were tense. A large number of western-leaning dissidents ... business-owners, shopkeepers, students, and other middle-upper class people ... came out in droves to protest. There were huge demonstrations aimed at toppling the government. Security forces were called out en masse. After weeks of demonstrations and riots, the head of government was being forced to flee.

Suddenly, shots rang out! Demonstrators fell to the ground, mortally wounded. The western government and western press blamed panicky government security forces for indiscriminate shooting.

However, there was a problem with the story. For those who bothered to look at the unedited videos, it was obvious that the shots weren't fired from the ground. Instead, they came from vantage points high overhead. Quite often, people were targeted who were -literally- just watching the demonstrations from a "safe" distance .... a middle-aged woman with dark hair, a young man walking in the opposite direction. Clearly, the shots came from snipers....

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This was Venezuela, not Ukraine. The snipers were provocateurs, sent in by foreign interests to put the revolution on to "boil". However, unlike Ukraine, the government prevailed, and Hugo Chavez resumed power just a few days later.

The current government of Kiev blames the Yanukovich-controlled Berkut for the Maidan shooting. Most of the Berkut have fled, because- they say- they won't get a fair trial in Kiev. But one of the Berkut that Kiev managed to capture at least temporarily- Dmytro Sadovnyk, 38, a decorated commander, who was accused of ordering his men to fire on the crowds on the morning of Feb. 20. - is accused of being one of the masterminds. As key evidence, they show a picture of him on the scene holding a rifle with both hands. However, there's a problem with the evidence: Dmytro Sadovnyk doesn't have both hands- one of them was blown off by a grenade accident, it is impossible for him to be holding a rifle the way it was pictured. If he was at the scene, this doesn't prove it. This seems to be a sign of an investigation with a foregone conclusion. And what about those killings in Odessa? Surely, you don't expect the current government to honestly investigate its own radical elements, do you?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/10/us-ukraine-killings-probe-sp
ecial-report-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010

I could point to Syria, where Assad was rapidly accused by the west and by BELLINGCAT - the site you seem to like so much - of gassing his own people. Like MH17 and everything else about Ukraine, I was insisting on evidence. At the time, I said that the manufacture of sarin could be traced by its impurities and stabilizers, and that the shells themselves would be of standard manufacture if from armed forces, but consist of a hodgepdge of parts if from terrorists. People were being assholes to me than just as much as now. But they were wrong then, just as much as I believe they are wrong now. Ultimately, the UK found that the sarin was "kitchen grade" and Obama backed off of his plan to bomb Syria. That, and the Russian navy between us and Syria helped dissuade him. But you should know by now that TRUTH DOES NOT FORM OUR FOREIGN POLICY. In all of the years that I've been watching US foreign policy, the USA has NOT ONCE told the truth about ... well, anything. Not once. Why is this time any different?? http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/06/seymour-hersh-links-tur
key-to-benghazi-syria-and-sarin/

In any nation, you'll find disaffected people. The USA works with them in MANY nations. Our embassies and consulates aren't just places to run to if you've lost your passport, ceremonial way-stations and sinecures for political appointees, they're filled with dual-role staff ... cooks, secretaries, drivers, technical support, who are on t

SIGNYM

Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:27 AM

Many pro-separatist analysts are predicting a "false front" so horrific as to lead to the complete dissolution of Ukraine, with direct street-to-street fighting across much of the nation. In their opinion, the Kiev army is so thoroughly diminished, and the aid that Kiev so desperately needs won't be forthcoming, that the only answer for the USA (since it can't win) is to have Ukraine burn itself to the ground, since the USA doesn't want Russia to "take over" a functioning nation either.

I can't say that I believe this scenario, but it's been mentioned so often by so many on the other side that it seems to be a real fear, so I thought to pass it along.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Saturday, January 31, 2015 9:29 PM

Since you weren't at any of these events, I can assume that we shouldn't take anything you say seriously?

BTW, we didn't choose to destroy Afghanistan or Iraq. We DID manage to turn them, and Sudan, and Libya, into failed states are are working mightily hard on Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and Iran. Also, looking back a bit, we did break Yugoslavia apart. That's quite a record! One which you choose to ignore over and over and over... you manage to forget just a few more times than it happened!

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Most unbelievable though, is you don't think Russia is capable of playing dirty to protect their own self-interests - amazing, total, purposeful ignorance. You have zero credibility when you show zero objectivity

Of course I'm aware that Russia can also play dirty tricks to further its interests. Did you not read the post which describes how Russia is using "war fervor" to re-nationalize all of its major holdings, and its banks, and remove western-leaning oligarchs from power, putting economic control back in the hands of the state? At some future date, when I'm more sure of what's going on, I'll tell you how I think Russia (and China) are trying to destroy the petrodollar.

I have ALSO provided at least a half-dozen times by now the list of aid that Russia is providing the separatists. I've done it so often I'm NOT going to bother repeating it, if you've been paying just the slightest bit of attention you should have it memorized by now. I also said that Russia has been very careful not to put Russian troops under Russian command in Ukraine. That seems to correlate very well what the commanding general of the Ukraine army said: No Russian troops, but individuals. I think my objectivity far outweighs yours. HOWEVER, Russia simply does not have the resources to bomb, invade, drone, and manipulate nearly every single nation on the planet. Sheer Russian resource limitations alone make the USA far and away the greater offender in that regard.

You would do well to pay more attention to what I'm posting, instead of ignoring whatever doesn't fit with your preconceived notions of what "should" and "shouldn't" happen.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:56 AM

I have to say - Russia re-nationalizing business and industry - what a concept!

You mean multinationals don't get to torpedo nations for private profit?! Like the banks did to the US and EU? Hunh.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, February 2, 2015 5:38 AM

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Since you weren't at any of these events, I can assume that we shouldn't take anything you say seriously?-SIGNY

Of course! That's why I mainly post information, quotes, stories from journalists/reporters/citizens who are actually THERE.-G

... and videos of Putin singing,

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an obvious Putin suck-up piece

, blatant opinion, unsupported allegations, and other useless trash.

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BTW, we didn't choose to destroy Afghanistan or Iraq. We DID manage to turn them, and Sudan, and Libya, into failed states are are working mightily hard on Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and Iran. Also, looking back a bit, we did break Yugoslavia apart. That's quite a record! One which you choose to ignore over and over and over... you manage to forget just a few more times than it happened!-G

This is too funny. Here's a quote I posted from a Russian professor who became nauseous when he went back to Russia, because of how it had changed and how people there were so consumed with Anti-Americanism.
BTW - when I posted it you ignored it, several times. (*see below).

But it gets better - here's what he said:

"...Almost everyone is infected, to various degrees, by this anti-Americanism," he says. "Surprisingly, even those who understand the inadmissibility of what Putin is doing in Ukraine don't miss an opportunity to recall the mistakes of U.S. administrations -- the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and so on and so forth -- and say that America's crimes are much worse and more dangerous that Putin's mistakes."

It's you! You just did that! -G

Siggy: "BTW, we (the US) didn't choose to destroy Afghanistan or Iraq. We DID manage to turn them, and Sudan, and Libya, into failed states are are working mightily hard on Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, and Iran. Also, looking back a bit, we did break Yugoslavia apart. That's quite a record! "

Well, it happens to be true. Is there a problem with stating fact?

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Most unbelievable though, is you don't think Russia is capable of playing dirty to protect their own self-interests - amazing, total, purposeful ignorance. You have zero credibility when you show zero objectivity -G

Of course I'm aware that Russia can also play dirty tricks to further its interests. Did you not read the post which describes how Russia is using "war fervor" to re-nationalize all of its major holdings, and its banks, and remove western-leaning oligarchs from power, putting economic control back in the hands of the state? At some future date, when I'm more sure of what's going on, I'll tell you how I think Russia (and China) are trying to destroy the petrodollar. -SIGNY

I'm glad to see you being aware that Russia can be just a shifty as the USA. That's possible progress.-G

I have been saying this for MONTHS. I guess it's progress that you finally recognized what I wrote!

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You said you didn't necessarily agree with their opinion, but you can't really call that being critical.-G

So? Some of it sounds factual. Some of it sounds like hyperbole. I haven't had a chance to evaluate the article, therefore (unlike you) I haven't formed an opinion.

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I have ALSO provided at least a half-dozen times by now the list of aid that Russia is providing the separatists. I've done it so often I'm NOT going to bother repeating it, if you've been paying just the slightest bit of attention you should have it memorized by now. I also said that Russia has been very careful not to put Russian troops under Russian command in Ukraine. That seems to correlate very well what the commanding general of the Ukraine army said: No Russian troops, but individuals. I think my objectivity far outweighs yours. HOWEVER, Russia simply does not have the resources to bomb, invade, drone, and manipulate nearly every single nation on the planet. Sheer Russian resource limitations alone make the

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GEEZER

Monday, February 2, 2015 9:03 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I have to say - Russia re-nationalizing business and industry - what a concept!

Yeah. Because it's worked so well in Venezuela.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

1KIKI

Monday, February 2, 2015 12:15 PM

Most people are doing much better, though the rich are not quite as rich. If you only care about rich people, I suppose you could say it hasn't worked well.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Tuesday, February 3, 2015 9:34 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Most people are doing much better, though the rich are not quite as rich. If you only care about rich people, I suppose you could say it hasn't worked well.

Come on.

You're quoting Venezuelan data to prove that Venezuela's economy is working? That's like quoting RTV to prove that Russian isn't involved in the Ukrainian "revolution".

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 3, 2015 8:10 PM

Everybody's data says the same thing, you old propagandist, you!

There are OTHER problems (production problems) with the Venezuelan economy, but poverty really has been reduced there.

But - how did we get from Mariupol to Venezuela???

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, March 26, 2025 5:41 PM

Russia hands long prison terms to Ukrainian 'Azov' fighters who defended Mariupol

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hands-long-prison-terms-uk
rainian-azov-fighters-who-defended-mariupol-2025-03-26/

...anyways Venezuela is still a shithole and crime as exploded there, Nicolás Maduro even worse the Venezuela's previous dictator nutjob

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