OH NO! Kiev plans to jam (nuclear) square pegs into round holes

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Monday, January 12, 2015 17:57
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THGRRI

Monday, January 5, 2015 1:19 AM

Because you love attacking America, I love making you look stupid in these threads.

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SIGNYM

That the fuel rods in Chernobyl were inserted improperly?

You are suggesting that I said that by putting it in the form of a question. This is exactly what I said you do. Perfect, that took only one post to give all ample evidence of one way you deflect a truth to create doubt. You know I said no such thing yet you posed the question anyway.

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SIGNYM
The "poor management" came about from a commitment to go ahead with the safety test even though it had been delayed past the more-experience shift,

Again, this time disputing your own evidence in claiming that the accident was due to a procedure when the findings of the scientists and review board was “systemic poor management”. Those who you blame were exonerated. That was in the prof you provided yet you still refuse to acknowledge it. You’re a joke…very sad. Look at your own prof 43 minutes into the video. What you continue to insist was the cause was actually just the result. A consequence of what was wrong.

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SIGNYM
I'm not favoring Russia. Didn't I just link to a detailed explanation of the clusterfuck that was Chernobyl?

No, what you did was put forth evidence that when reviewed contradicted what you claimed. Now you wish me to review what you posted that is a mismatch of truth, omissions and falsehoods. To pick over the bones of what is fact in your posts in an attempt to get me to corroborate your posts as fair. NOPE… I don’t have to. They aren’t fair which is what happens when you post subjectively.

Look at the thread I posted for the facts SIGNYM and leave your delusions behind.

Bombs and guns builds nations and keeps aggressors out.

1KIKI

Monday, January 5, 2015 1:29 AM

Signy

Heaven protect us from the politicians who think that the physical world yields to political convenience.

About nuclear power in general:
It's true that nuclear power is implacable. You can't be 97% good with nuclear power and be safe. Even 99.99999% isn't good enough. Because that .00001% will roll around in due time and exact its payment.

But then - in the macro realm ALL the physical world is implacable. Gravity is implacable. The apple will inevitably fall to the earth (and the earth infinitesimally fall toward the apple) every time, without exception. So what makes nuclear power so exceptional? It's the consequence of error. If a small water wheel fails and gravity takes its toll - well, the water wheel is toast, but not much else. If a large hydro-turbine breaks free of its moorings, major death and destruction follow. If a nuclear plant fails, an entire region becomes uninhabitable.

Since we CAN'T guarantee 100% on anything we do - and WILL have failures on everything at some point - I wonder how people justify the risks of nuclear energy?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, January 5, 2015 1:38 AM

Let's see if SIGNYM accepts your path out of our discussion 1kiki. My bet is she does.

1KIKI

Monday, January 5, 2015 1:44 AM

I didn't even read your posts b/c - you're ignorant, an asshole and a proven liar. I prefer to read the posts of people who are knowledgeable, humane and honest. In other words - not you.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, January 5, 2015 2:09 AM

Yeah right 1kiki ...As for proving me a liar, I would love to revisit when you did that.

1KIKI

Monday, January 5, 2015 2:14 AM

whatever

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 5, 2015 7:57 AM

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Signy

Heaven protect us from the politicians who think that the physical world yields to political convenience.

About nuclear power in general:
It's true that nuclear power is implacable. You can't be 97% good with nuclear power and be safe. Even 99.99999% isn't good enough. Because that .00001% will roll around in due time and exact its payment.

But then - in the macro realm ALL the physical world is implacable. Gravity is implacable. The apple will inevitably fall to the earth (and the earth infinitesimally fall toward the apple) every time, without exception. So what makes nuclear power so exceptional? It's the consequence of error. If a small water wheel fails and gravity takes its toll - well, the water wheel is toast, but not much else. If a large hydro-turbine breaks free of its moorings, major death and destruction follow. If a nuclear plant fails, an entire region becomes uninhabitable.

Since we CAN'T guarantee 100% on anything we do - and WILL have failures on everything at some point - I wonder how people justify the risks of nuclear energy?

I have no idea.

Fukushima isn't in the news much anymore, the Japanese (and the IAEA and the entire nuclear community) are keeping the news pretty quiescent, but that isn't stopping Fukushima from continuing to spew radionuclides into the ocean at an ever-increasing rate. Yanno, hundred of TONS of nuclear fuel are unlocated and uncontrolled and are developing more and more pathways to the sea. It's an ecological nightmare that surpasses Chernobyl, and will probably only be surpassed by Hanford, when THOSE tanks decide to fail.

People are strange. If they had any idea of what this all meant, they would grab the flambeaus and attack the regulators with pitchforks and staves. But they're told by TPTB ... and this includes the Russian government and its nuclear-plant customer-governments ... that everything is OK. The power plant is usually smoke-free, it doesn't smell (most of the time), it sure looks all scientific ... so the technology must be A-OK!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JONES

Monday, January 12, 2015 3:52 PM

I've heard Zaporizhzhya already had a few malfunctions and Ukraine's authorities concealing the facts. Obviously Ukraine's nuclear energy is in a very bad condition but using the unsuitable nuclear fuel is something absolutely reckless like putting something square into round holes. That could be a new Chernobyl and people already report about the rise of radiation level there. And here some info that could be useful, https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2014/12/03/accident-confirmed-
at-ukraines-zaporizhye-nuclear-power-plant-link-to-latvia-radiation-spike-possible/

THGRRI

Monday, January 12, 2015 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jones:
I've heard Zaporizhzhya already had a few malfunctions and Ukraine's authorities concealing the facts. Obviously Ukraine's nuclear energy is in a very bad condition but using the unsuitable nuclear fuel is something absolutely reckless like putting something square into round holes. That could be a new Chernobyl and people already report about the rise of radiation level there. And here some info that could be useful,

Jones, hearsay is useless and the link you provide is nothing more than a Blog. I researched the author and can find little on him or his blog. I admit I did not look too extensively but I gave it a whirl. Until he gains some status and what he posts is referred to as legit by more notable sources, I think I will avoid taking what he puts together as a package on a particular subject as facts. Bloggers are not accountable to a higher authority or fact checkers before they go to press.

deja-vu

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