Interstellar
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.
So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?
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Quote:Clearly they are no where, because they don't exist in the movie's plot. ;)
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
In my wank, I imagine them having lived on one of the several other possibly habitable worlds the movie didn't visit. Or maybe they even lived on the tidal ocean world, but our hero doesn't see them because they haven't landed yet. Think about it! They get there the slow way, then get smart and figure out how to get their ancestors there quickly, by sending a wormhole back in time.
Hmm. So maybe after the rescued humans get out there, they'll continue their civilization for a bazillion years until their timeline catches up with my fanwank early escape from Earth...
There are paradoxes with this, but for me it's a far more interesting twist of the timeline than the heavy-handed uber-emotional crap the movie went with. I mean, really. The inner structure of a BH and survival of the human race is completely centered on one man's love for his daughter?
Hollywood. P-shah.
Quote:I found this to be another plot fail, or maybe I misunderstood the ending. I thought that our hero saw his elderly daughter, then headed back out for a reunion with Anne Hathaway and all the eggs. I got the idea she was waiting for them all to arrive. But is she not time shifted at all? And why does our hero get 2 minutes with the daughter he bent space and time for, then suddenly it's like - oh well. Done with that. Blah. Guess he's more into a loving reunion with the astronaut who loved another man we know nothing about.
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
More Hollywood.
Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it. I will see the movie again eventually and see if I can make progress.
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Quote:Hollywood is easy to understand.
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
More Hollywood.
Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it.
This scene is pure Hollywood: "What happens when Dr Mann opens the airlock?" Cooper asks. TARS the robot answers, "Nothing good." What the hell! A real astronaut Cooper would have commanded TARS to amplify that, something like: "Tell me more or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with it." But . . .
Cooper didn't give the order because TARS's answer would destroy the movie's suspense about what happens next to the evil Dr Mann. Cooper is not acting like a real astronaut with a working brain. He is always the Nolan Brothers' puppet. The Nolans want Cooper to get out of the way so that Dr Mann can monologue himself to death about his duty to all Mann-kind, then step on the booby-trap and kill himself, ridding the movie of an annoyingly sanctimonious character.
In the next scene, TARS says "It's not possible." Cooper says "No, it's necessary." That's definitely a Nolan Brothers Hollywood moment. It's their movie. They can do the impossible. They are mighty.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Hollywood is easy to understand.
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
More Hollywood.
Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it.
This scene is pure Hollywood: "What happens when Dr Mann opens the airlock?" Cooper asks. TARS the robot answers, "Nothing good." What the hell! A real astronaut Cooper would have commanded TARS to amplify that, something like: "Tell me more or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with it." But . . .
Cooper didn't give the order because TARS's answer would destroy the movie's suspense about what happens next to the evil Dr Mann. Cooper is not acting like a real astronaut with a working brain. He is always the Nolan Brothers' puppet. The Nolans want Cooper to get out of the way so that Dr Mann can monologue himself to death about his duty to all Mann-kind, then step on the booby-trap and kill himself, ridding the movie of an annoyingly sanctimonious character.
In the next scene, TARS says "It's not possible." Cooper says "No, it's necessary." That's definitely a Nolan Brothers Hollywood moment. It's their movie. They can do the impossible. They are mighty.
Much of that could be attributed to a recalibration of TARS's interaction settings.
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Interstellar paints its picture of a doomed Earth but never explains why super-physicists can save us by evicting us into space but super-biologists are powerless to save us on Earth. If it is possible, as the film’s ending posits, to create majestically perfect space colonies through the wonder of physics controlling gravity, why is it impossible to build (sealed) terrestrial colonies upon the Earth? Because frankly, being in space changes nothing here: if you can’t build sustainable self-contained colonies on the Earth's surface, you’re not going to be able to build them in space either.
This goes double for Firefly. If it was possible to build living space for a billion people on starships that go on century long voyages, why was it not possible to build sealed living space on old Earth?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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If they had said the sun was burning out, that might take away from the message of man needing to , in OUR time, get the hell off this rock.
There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. Many might say 'global warming' is the most obvious, but to avoid the predictable nonsense which would erupt if this were tagged with some AlGore like ' The Day After Tomorrow ' crap, seems they chose to go a more obscure route.
I think they did the best the could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.
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Quote:There is a simple and straightforward way to avoid all politics and have an interesting story that does not destroy life on Earth in the process.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. . . .
I think they did the best they could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.
I think the Nolan Brothers should have ditched the idea that secretly NASA is going Interstellar. It should not be a secret, but no sane & trustworthy pilots want to go on what has, repeatedly, been a suicide mission for other astronauts. NASA comes to Cooper, asking him to be the next pilot. NASA keeps that secret because the public hates it when NASA kills astronauts. Look to the two space shuttle crashes for an example of how the public reacts.
Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.
Cooper and TARS the robot still could have fallen into a black hole. Cooper still could have sent Morse Code to Murphy about anti-gravity. Cooper still could have stolen a spaceship at the end to go live with Anne Hathaway instead of Cooper's boring family.
Cooper could have acted as a real astronaut, without the Nolan Brothers adding a villain, Dr Mann the murderer and spaceship thief, to the story. Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.
The underlying theme that he had to go, and was willing to sacrifice it all, to save his family is what they were going for, obviously. He never wanted to 'abandon' them, but he did want them to survive. Even if he wasn't there to see them.
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Cooper and TARS the robot still could have fallen into a black hole. Cooper still could have sent Morse Code to Murphy about anti-gravity. Cooper still could have stolen a spaceship at the end to go live with Anne Hathaway instead of Cooper's boring family.
Cooper could have acted as a real astronaut, without the Nolan Brothers adding a villain, Dr Mann the murderer and spaceship thief, to the story. Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.
Fully agree on the murderous part. Mankind is facing extinction, and all this dick head can think of is a safe boat home, while killing a fellow man , so he can make it back to...what ? A dying planet ? Makes less and less sense the more I think about it.
And the waves were fine. I just wish they weren't all wading around in the shallows. I think the directors took a short cut on that one.
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Originally posted by second:
Interstellar paints its picture of a doomed Earth but never explains why super-physicists can save us by evicting us into space but super-biologists are powerless to save us on Earth. If it is possible, as the film’s ending posits, to create majestically perfect space colonies through the wonder of physics controlling gravity, why is it impossible to build (sealed) terrestrial colonies upon the Earth? Because frankly, being in space changes nothing here: if you can’t build sustainable self-contained colonies on the Earth's surface, you’re not going to be able to build them in space either.
Incorrect. The difference is simple, and presented in the film. The Morons of Earth who rule have made it impossible to save us. Instead of using science to save us, they follow junk science of the likes of algore. The Ruling Morons of Earth have brainwashed everybody to think space travel is not possible, and any attempts to use scientific solutions are "a waste of funds" like the moon missions. In Space, under NASA guidelines, the rulers are not navel-gazing stoners but scientists and engineers who do have a science-based solution, which would be rejected by the likes of algore, Obammy, other liberals in favor of the non-science but feel-good actions. Earth is ruled by Morons. Space, Science, and NASA are not. Yes, they are not honest with Cooper, or Brand, but they are not as stupid as the rulers of Earth.
Some have mentioned the Star Trek solution of Genesis - but seem to forget that that "solution" destroys every single form of life on the planet as it transforms it. That means that to use it on Earth would eradicate humankind from existence. Quite a genius solution, there.
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This goes double for Firefly. If it was possible to build living space for a billion people on starships that go on century long voyages, why was it not possible to build sealed living space on old Earth?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:There is a simple and straightforward way to avoid all politics and have an interesting story that does not destroy life on Earth in the process.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. . . .
I think they did the best they could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.
I think the Nolan Brothers should have ditched the idea that secretly NASA is going Interstellar. It should not be a secret, but no sane & trustworthy pilots want to go on what has, repeatedly, been a suicide mission for other astronauts. NASA comes to Cooper, asking him to be the next pilot. NASA keeps that secret because the public hates it when NASA kills astronauts.
Incorrect. It is the morons of revisionist history who have brainwashed everybody to believe that man has never left the surface of the Earth, man never went to the Moon. NASA is keeping the secret so the mission can be accomplished.
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Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.
Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.
There was no tsunami. That was tide. On earth, tides exist even on shallow water bodies. Check out the Mackinaw Straits. Tides are caused by the gravitational pull of our miniscule Moon. Being next to a singularity, tides will obviously be of vastly greater magnitude.
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