Interstellar
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It is my belief that Elle Fanning will win an Oscar in her lifetime, she's that good. But I agree that Chloe stole Kick-Ass without breaking a sweat, and this with Nick Cage doing a HI-larious Adam West impression - that's talent.
My fav scene was when the baddies had Big Daddy and Kick-Ass tied up and she comes to the rescue. The moment she wraps her cape around his burning body, you could sense her emotion at losing her mentor, but more importantly her dad. She stopped momentarily and through her mask you could sense her grief for all of a few seconds, then his tough little girl carried on. That was such a poignant scene for both Chloe/Hit-Girl, and it was not easy to carry off after all that action. It is very subtle, but it was there nonetheless.
I'm not sure when, but she has the potential, like Elle, to win an Oscar, with the right role and director. I get the feeling that Elle would have an easier time of it. MacKenzie Foy though, gotta watch her. I loved her in this movie.
SGG
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Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).
SGG
I felt that Chloe Grace Morentz stole the show in Kick Ass, but it was of different quality than Elle (Super 8) and Mackenzie (Interstellar).
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Saw the Craig Ferguson Show last night with Matthew McConaughey. Was taped 2 weeks ago, right after the Marion Cottilard show. Matthew carried over some jokes from the prior show, and yes, he did interrupt the impersonation of him, and played with it.
But the clip they played was of Prof trying to convince him to pilot the spacecraft. He says "Professor, I've got kids" and Professor replies "Well then go up there and save them."
I did not give that line the full measure the first 2 times I saw it in cinema, but it really does create a greater dawning. I suppose Caine under-delivered it, intentionally.
Alone, it was hard to envision that as the summary of the whole film.
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It is my belief that Elle Fanning will win an Oscar in her lifetime, she's that good. But I agree that Chloe stole Kick-Ass without breaking a sweat, and this with Nick Cage doing a HI-larious Adam West impression - that's talent.
My fav scene was when the baddies had Big Daddy and Kick-Ass tied up and she comes to the rescue. The moment she wraps her cape around his burning body, you could sense her emotion at losing her mentor, but more importantly her dad. She stopped momentarily and through her mask you could sense her grief for all of a few seconds, then his tough little girl carried on. That was such a poignant scene for both Chloe/Hit-Girl, and it was not easy to carry off after all that action. It is very subtle, but it was there nonetheless.
SGG
I can still watch the Red Band trailer with Hit Girl, repeatedly. Never only once.
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Alright, NOW I understand it.
Thanks for posting. 
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blah blah childish bickering
Anyhow...
The big plot hole: How did humans escape their dead Earth the first time around? If humans hadn't gone through the wormhole because no humans had yet gone through it and been able to send their BDH Matthew M into the blackhole and so do all the science that let them get to the wormhole and survive long enough to, in the far future, create the wormhole...
How was the wormhole there the first time through the timeline?
Major plot fail there. Really big. You didn't see it JSF?
Moron.
I have fan-wank solutions, but I won't share quite yet.
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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.
It's a much bigger plot hole that a watch somehow was programmed to repeat what must have been an incredibly long morse code message just by pushing the second hand. Watches don't work that way and I imagine it would be about as difficult as creating a wormhole for us to create an analog watch that size that could repeat such a long message.
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Quote:The usual way scriptwriters handle statements like "watches don't work that way" is to claim "watches in the future do work that way." And the plot hole is closed tight again.
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It's a much bigger plot hole that a watch somehow was programmed to repeat what must have been an incredibly long morse code message just by pushing the second hand. Watches don't work that way and I imagine it would be about as difficult as creating a wormhole for us to create an analog watch that size that could repeat such a long message.
The next thing you will be questioning is the feasibility of Doctor Who's telepathically controlled sonic screwdriver. The screwdriver and the Interstellar wristwatch serve the same purpose: move the story forward, fast as possible. It is "feasible tech" only because the audience will accept it. Scriptwriters depend on audiences that will believe anything (and I do mean anything) that looks realistic on the screen.
The story didn't need a magical watch. Cooper could have personally carried the watch's message back to Murphy when she was 40 (the Nolan Brothers' tesseract can do anything), but that would have screwed up Cooper arriving when Murphy was 120 years old. The Nolan Brothers did think their movie needed a tearful deathbed reunion of father and daughter. So . . . the Magical Watch was written into the screenplay.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SERIOUSLY SPOILERS I WARNED YOU
First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.
Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.
There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.
A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.
It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.
Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)
If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.
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Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.
Exactly. I wouldn't be so hard on the film except for the fact that Nolan and company had been promoting it as realistic hard science fiction, and then it turns out to be nothing more than a high-budget remake of The Black Hole.
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SPOILERS BELOW
SERIOUSLY SPOILERS I WARNED YOU
First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.
Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.
There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.
A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.
It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.
Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)
If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.
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I assume you mean the magic blackhole construct thingamabob had to exist first because that's how Cooper ended up on the mission. I sorta wank that away by thinking he still could have ended up on the mission by different means in an alternate "first" timeline. I mean we already know professor Brand knows him and thinks highly of his piloting skills. Maybe he seeks Cooper out the first time.
I think the "real" explanation is that "they" are 5 dimensional beings and all time happens at once for them. There is no causality in 5 dimensional space. So, there's no paradox of how something happened before something else.
Not that I buy that. Our world does have causality. Those 5 dimensional beings had to come from somewhere. I think the best most logical explanation is that Cooper was just wrong. Humans didn't create the black hole whatsit. It was aliens and they kicked off events in the initial timeline that got Cooper on the mission. Then he changed the timeline when he got into the blackhole.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
SPOILERS BELOW
SERIOUSLY SPOILERS I WARNED YOU
First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.
Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.
There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.
A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.
It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.
Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)
If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.
I assume you mean the magic blackhole construct thingamabob had to exist first because that's how Cooper ended up on the mission. I sorta wank that away by thinking he still could have ended up on the mission by different means in an alternate "first" timeline. I mean we already know professor Brand knows him and thinks highly of his piloting skills. Maybe he seeks Cooper out the first time.
I think the "real" explanation is that "they" are 5 dimensional beings and all time happens at once for them. There is no causality in 5 dimensional space. So, there's no paradox of how something happened before something else.
Not that I buy that. Our world does have causality. Those 5 dimensional beings had to come from somewhere. I think the best most logical explanation is that Cooper was just wrong. Humans didn't create the black hole whatsit. It was aliens and they kicked off events in the initial timeline that got Cooper on the mission. Then he changed the timeline when he got into the blackhole.
When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?
As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
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