Interstellar
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I liked the basic message that while we can't abandon those people who are on Earth, we must still strive to look up , and not perpetually down, and claim to be caring for humanity.
I understand that space travel is pricey, and also dangerous, but the fact remains... we're going to have to get off this rock one day and start to look elsewhere if our species is going to survive.
There is just no getting around that fact.
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There is teleportation in Interstellar: Cooper sends many messages to his daughter; once finished sending, the tesseract collapses with Cooper inside of it, Ouch!; Cooper wakes in the hospital back in the Solar System.
The Prestige, written and directed by same Nolan Brothers, has David Bowie Tesla build a teleportation device that also duplicates -- it's a fax machine making perfect copies of people. The Nolan Brothers are recycling that old idea into their latest movie and simplifying.
The Real Tesla would not immorally have given Hugh Jackman a gadget that duplicates people. David Bowie Tesla left a note that said, "Drop this infernal machine to the bottom of the deepest ocean." The Nolan Brothers needed David Bowie Tesla to be ethically idiotic. Leaving a handwritten note is not sufficient. Real Tesla would have destroyed the machine.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
My showing was about 2:50 before the credits.
Anybody know when the time frame was, for the original scenes, Murphy age 10 or so? I didn't find any clear references, other than at least 10 years in the future.Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The Nolan Brothers also wrote and directed The Prestige, which has a 19th Century teleportation machine from Star Trek. Be amazed & thrilled as Hugh Jackman sparkles realistically when teleported in Victorian London! As David Bowie, the inventor of the teleporter, said about his amazing machine, "These things never quite work as you expect them to. That's one of the principle beauties of science."
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As for 'back story ' issues, just go w/ it. Things are bad. Why ? It just is. Trust 'em. . . . I get the 2001 Space Odyssey comparisons. I really do. But this , imo, is far more satisfying.
Did you intentionally leave out the part where this was was Nikolai Tesla? Most of your revered current "scientists" or "physicists" or "PhDs" cannot even fathom the science than Tesla knew more than a century ago.Quote:
That science is just as solid as the science in Interstellar. Even though it is being sold as realistic, Interstellar is fantasy, no matter how many PhDs in physics got paid for making it. Be thankful the Nolan Brothers could not plausibly use a teleporter in the Nolan version of NASA's space program. Except they did do that very thing to Matthew McConaughey to get him back to Earth.
I assume you are using literary license. Are you claiming the Ranger or whichever craft as his "teleporter" here?Quote:
The Nolan Brothers'
incorrect. This was Tesla's science.Quote:
"science" teleports anxious Hugh Jackman in The Prestige (2006).
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:There is teleportation in Interstellar: Cooper sends many messages to his daughter;
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
My showing was about 2:50 before the credits.
Anybody know when the time frame was, for the original scenes, Murphy age 10 or so? I didn't find any clear references, other than at least 10 years in the future.Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The Nolan Brothers also wrote and directed The Prestige, which has a 19th Century teleportation machine from Star Trek. Be amazed & thrilled as Hugh Jackman sparkles realistically when teleported in Victorian London! As David Bowie, the inventor of the teleporter, said about his amazing machine, "These things never quite work as you expect them to. That's one of the principle beauties of science."
Originally posted by AURaptor:
As for 'back story ' issues, just go w/ it. Things are bad. Why ? It just is. Trust 'em. . . . I get the 2001 Space Odyssey comparisons. I really do. But this , imo, is far more satisfying.
Did you intentionally leave out the part where this was was Nikolai Tesla? Most of your revered current "scientists" or "physicists" or "PhDs" cannot even fathom the science than Tesla knew more than a century ago.Quote:
That science is just as solid as the science in Interstellar. Even though it is being sold as realistic, Interstellar is fantasy, no matter how many PhDs in physics got paid for making it. Be thankful the Nolan Brothers could not plausibly use a teleporter in the Nolan version of NASA's space program. Except they did do that very thing to Matthew McConaughey to get him back to Earth.
I assume you are using literary license. Are you claiming the Ranger or whichever craft as his "teleporter" here?Quote:
The Nolan Brothers'
incorrect. This was Tesla's science.Quote:
"science" teleports anxious Hugh Jackman in The Prestige (2006).
I thought this was time portation. You think he actually traveled back to Earth at this time?
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once finished sending, the tesseract collapses with Cooper inside of it,
Yes, the time connecting construct "collapsed" or dissolved. This would then return him to his own time, where he was exported from the singularity. Right?
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Ouch!; Cooper wakes in the hospital back in the Solar System.
After he was adrift in space for 30-50 years, his life support almost depleted. Right?
What was the one big paradox remaining?
I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I liked the basic message that while we can't abandon those people who are on Earth, we must still strive to look up , and not perpetually down, and claim to be caring for humanity.
I understand that space travel is pricey, and also dangerous, but the fact remains... we're going to have to get off this rock one day and start to look elsewhere if our species is going to survive.
There is just no getting around that fact.
If we keep electing Obama and his ilk, we can get to our extinction much quicker.
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Quote:Are you implying that the Obama opposition, the Republicans, have an interstellar program in their party's platform? If they do, they are keeping that a secret. . . . Hey! That's exactly like the super-secret program in the movie Interstellar! In a real USA, not Hollywood's USA, there is no reason to keep it secret, except to surprise Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
If we keep electing Obama and his ilk, we can get to our extinction much quicker.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Are you implying that the Obama opposition, the Republicans, have an interstellar program in their party's platform? If they do, they are keeping that a secret. . . . Hey! That's exactly like the super-secret program in the movie Interstellar! In a real USA, not Hollywood's USA, there is no reason to keep it secret, except to surprise Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
You feel the explanation in the film was not adequate, or you didn't understand it, or you disagree with it, or it was not clear enough?
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Quote:The Interstellar Project was secret only because Hollywood and the Nolan Brothers needed to keep the secret from Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Are you implying that the Obama opposition, the Republicans, have an interstellar program in their party's platform? If they do, they are keeping that a secret. . . . Hey! That's exactly like the super-secret program in the movie Interstellar! In a real USA, not Hollywood's USA, there is no reason to keep it secret, except to surprise Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
You feel the explanation in the film was not adequate, or you didn't understand it, or you disagree with it, or it was not clear enough?
The project does not need the secrecy of a Manhattan project where Germany could have been strongly motivated to built a competing A-Bomb to drop on the USA if only Germany had known what the US was doing. Or later in the Manhattan project, Russia might drop a A-Bomb on the USA after WW II was over. The movie was, to be perfectly frank, stupid about the secrecy. A rational USA is not going to keep an Interstellar project hidden because there is no enemy to keep it hidden from.
And the movie had school history books rewritten to make the Apollo Program a hoax? That would make as much sense as declaring the Civil War a hoax so that feelings of 21st Century Southerners are spared the distress of knowing that the Confederacy lost.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The Interstellar Project was secret only because Hollywood and the Nolan Brothers needed to keep the secret from Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Are you implying that the Obama opposition, the Republicans, have an interstellar program in their party's platform? If they do, they are keeping that a secret. . . . Hey! That's exactly like the super-secret program in the movie Interstellar! In a real USA, not Hollywood's USA, there is no reason to keep it secret, except to surprise Cooper and Murphy for storytelling purposes.
You feel the explanation in the film was not adequate, or you didn't understand it, or you disagree with it, or it was not clear enough?
The project does not need the secrecy of a Manhattan project where Germany could have been strongly motivated to built a competing A-Bomb to drop on the USA if only Germany had known what the US was doing. Or later in the Manhattan project, Russia might drop a A-Bomb on the USA after WW II was over. The movie was, to be perfectly frank, stupid about the secrecy. A rational USA is not going to keep an Interstellar project hidden because there is no enemy to keep it hidden from.
And the movie had school history books rewritten to make the Apollo Program a hoax? That would make as much sense as declaring the Civil War a hoax so that feelings of 21st Century Southerners are spared the distress of knowing that the Confederacy lost.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
So you didn't understand it.
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Crazy spoilers in this post.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What big one?
You don't see it? Really?
Hmm.
Maybe your limited intellectual ability is why you haven't answered my direct and oft-repeated questions in the Edge of Tomorrow thread. You just aren't capable of groking obvious things. Obvi.
Anyhow...
The big plot hole: How did humans escape their dead Earth the first time around? If humans hadn't gone through the wormhole because no humans had yet gone through it and been able to send their BDH Matthew M into the blackhole and so do all the science that let them get to the wormhole and survive long enough to, in the far future, create the wormhole...
How was the wormhole there the first time through the timeline?
Major plot fail there. Really big. You didn't see it JSF?
Moron.
I have fan-wank solutions, but I won't share quite yet.
Quote:This response is what I expect of a blind RWA male-hero-worshipper like you. MM's character was written to be the Guy Who Saves The Day strictly to appeal to limited brains like yours. You buy it whole-heartedly, just like you did with TC in EoT.
All the other characters were working to fail. His character was the only one making it work.
How very in character of you.
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So you didn't understand it.
Just like you didn't understand EoT. Hey, ever gonna explain how you changed your tune so 180 degrees regarding the plot of that movie?
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