Jon Stewart on CNN's Crossfire.

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SIGMANUNKI

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:

He said that he thinks Stewart is a thoughtfull, smart and has interesting observations. However he said that Stewart simply went on the show and told them they are bad without actually giving any content to his argument. And before he could get to any specifics, he and Tucker Carlson got into a fight.

I find it interesting that someone could critize someone else for not providing points and then go onto basically say that they didn't have a chance to provide any.

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:

Begala said, from what he got out of the rant, Stewart thinks that the media should have one omniscient moderator who should correct the politicians when they lie. Although Begala said he liked Stewart, he said he was a little pompous and a little full of himself.

I didn't really find it a rant, I found it the one breath of fresh air that I've seen on CNN. Quite frankly, I found JS quite calm throughout the show.

But, I don't understand how someone could get that JS thinks that there should be one moderator. He was saying that these guys should use there position (or anyone else with in the same position) to point out the faults in the polititions on any issue regardless of the party they belong to. Something, IMO, JS does better than they do. I also got that JS thinks that the interviewers should ask tougher questions (which is clear IMO).

I also don't understand how JS being full of himself (if he is) has anything to do with the issue at hand.

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:

He also basically said that Jon Stewart is a hypocrite because he came on Crossfire and accuse everyone there of being mean, harsh and demeaning to democracy and then call Tucker Carlson a dick.

I find it absolutly hi-larious that this guy is calling JS a hypocrite b/c bow-tie-man pushed him into a comment, where these guys are that way (apparently, I don't watch this smut) everyday or at least regularly. Interesting how he attempts to compare one comment to typical behaviour.

I'd say, this man's coments go right along with what JS was trying to say. There job right now is basically to cover the election and related issues. And this guys spending time commenting on JS's critizism of there non-coverage instead of thinking about it and actually attempting to actually do his job.

*sigh* The only way this'll change is if the americans change the channel and make some demands before they change it back. Somehow, I doubt this'll happen any time soon.

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Paul Begala was just on Imus in the Morning. He talked about the Jon Stewart incident on Crossfire.

He said that he thinks Stewart is a thoughtfull, smart and ...

...Begala said, from what he got out of the rant, Stewart thinks that the media should have one omniscient moderator who should correct the politicians when they lie. Although Begala said he liked Stewart, he said he was a little pompous and a little full of himself.

He also basically said that Jon Stewart is a hypocrite because he came on Crossfire and accuse everyone there of being mean, harsh and demeaning to democracy and then call Tucker Carlson a dick.

This is perfect. He obviously didn't get what Stewart was saying, which is why Jon kept coming at it from a different angle. I think that just as Jon was sincere in trying to persuade them, they are sincere in their inability to understand what he is saying.

He wasn't holding them accountable for every deception put forth by their guests. He was merely asking them to include some critical judgement in their presentation, to press their guests to do something besides parrot the party talking points.

The political parties use these programs as little more than advertising platforms. Most major media outlets are happy to function in this way, as it requires them to do very little work, just repeat the press releases that are handed to them. They allow the spin doctors to control what is, or is not, being discussed in the public forum.

Neither was Stewart saying they were too mean or aggressive. He was saying that shouting party talking points at each other isn't the same as debate. Just because they present two sides of an issue doesn't mean that the either of the positions is defensible. Nor does it mean they are worth considering in the first place. Most times, they're arguing about some sideshow distraction that people like Karl Rove have happily manufactured to draw attention away from real problems in policy.

I think some good will come of this. A great many people are looking to the internet for their news. These people have become disgusted and distrustful of mainstream journalism for many of the same reasons Stewart has. The fact that his confrontation with the Crossfire goons has recieved overwhelming support on the internet will not be ignored and may help to lead some of the mainstream venues to change their tune.

Anyway, I applaud Jon Stewart's efforts, even if it did fall on deaf ears.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

RUKIA

Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:47 AM

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Originally posted by firefloozysuzie:
Good observation, SoupCatcher.

I already suspected that Conscience was a Blue Sun and/or Alliance mole.

We all know that actual Firefly fans are thoughtful, fair, intelligent, articulate, and attractive people. Which, of course, is everything that the ironically named "Conscience" is not.

BTW,
1) Jon Stewart rocks.
2) Extremist Bushites are a dangerous plague upon the Earth.
3) Real Republicans -- read: moderate, responsible fiscal conservatives --
are voting for Kerry.

God Bless America

I agree that most people on here are very level-headed. And John Stewart does indeed rock out loud! I looooove the Daily Show. Two things I want to note though...extremists on ANY side are dangerous to the earth. And I know many moderates who lean toward conservatism who would never vote for Kerry. I consider myself slighly to the right of middle...but yeah, I have issues with both candidates. Never with the Daily Show though!

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I love Bleach, I love Wash...am I sensing a trend here?

NEUTRINOLAD

Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:58 AM

She's hot!

Now I know Conscience is just another troll.

SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:14 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

I think that just as Jon was sincere in trying to persuade them, they are sincere in their inability to understand what he is saying.

I believe that the precision of that statement is inescapable!

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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

DANFAN

Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:49 PM

I don't watch the show. But I followed one of the links and watched the clip of Jon's interview over the internet. I thought the crux of his argument was absolutely spot on. And I was disappointed (but not surprised) that the hosts simply never grasped the fact that holding forth on opposites of a fence does not equal enlightened debate.

Honest debate implies the possibility of listening to the other side and acknowledging that they got something right. Shouting your opinions from your side of the fence without listening to the reply is, as Jon so aptly put it, partisan hackery.

The only false note was the contrast of Jon's defense of his own show with the clip from his show that was shown at the start of the interview. In the clip from the Daily show, there was an excerpt of Regis Philbin and his current cohost (whoever it is) tossing cream puff questions at John Kerry... then cut to Jon in his studio with a disgusted look on his face as he says "Nerf Crossfire!" When challenged about the depth of his questions to Kerry, Jon replied that his show is comedy. IMO, what he is really saying is that his show is neither NEWS or SERIOUS PUBLIC DEBATE. Given that fact, his show can't be taken to task for failing its mission as Crossfire can. He is absolutely correct in that regard... he was on Crossfire not as a colleague critiquing their skills, but as a citizen chastising them for not providing the service they purport to offer to all citizens. But then in the clip that they showed, he took the same cheap shot at Philbin that they took at him. Philbin's show is not news or serious public debate either...

It seemed to me in the clip they showed that John sucker punched another show just for the yucks. He can certainly do that... it just weakens his defense when Crossfire takes the same cheap shot at his show.

That said, I reiterate that I agreed with every charge he levelled against the hosts of Crossfire...

NEUTRINOLAD

Friday, October 22, 2004 2:43 AM

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then cut to Jon in his studio with a disgusted look on his face as he says "Nerf Crossfire!"

I think that look on his face was not for Regis and Co., it was for the candidates, in this case John Kerry, in choosing these venues to stump for president.

DANFAN

Friday, October 22, 2004 3:06 AM

Hmmm!

That would make this a perfect example of the dangers of trying to draw conclusions from soundbites. Not having seen the Daily Show from which the clip came, the context was completely lost on me.

Your interpretation sounds reasonable.

KEVIN280

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:46 PM

hay sorry if i offended any 1 in the forms after i say anything.

ok so thats takin care i got 2 say jon stewert is the most retarted comediens ive ever seen.he is just not funny.ive seen the crossfire video and it just stupid.who thought that just making fun if a goofy looking guy with a red tie will make him 10 times famous.jon stewert just fucking stupid.ive seen his show as well and i dont get any of his 32 year old joke.this proves that comedy central just get comediens of the street and put them it a comedy news show (thats not even funny)and see what will happen.that makes the daly show the worst show ive ever had 2 see.and last but
lest the "america" book.i read the book 2 weeks after making this post and the book FUCKING SUCK.when it comes jon stewert is just some john kerry look alike cracking jokes about the news
and at the same time making 63+ year old men and wemon laugh.GO TO FUCKING HELL JON STEWERT.

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:54 PM

Hehe..personally I enjoy Jon Stewart. In case you didn't know..Tucker Carlson has been fired by CNN.

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/01/06/cnn_drops_carlson_of_c
rossfire/

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