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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, September 8, 2014 1:37 PM

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Washington: The Central Intelligence Agency took top al-Qaeda suspects close "to the point of death" by drowning them in water-filled baths during interrogation sessions in the years that followed the September 11 attacks, far beyond the waterboarding details so far revealed, according to an intelligence source.

The description of the torture meted out to at least two leading al-Qaeda suspects, including the alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, far exceeds the conventional understanding of waterboarding, or "simulated drowning" so far admitted by the CIA.

"They weren't just pouring water over their heads or over a cloth," said the source who has first-hand knowledge of the period. "They were holding them under water until the point of death, with a doctor present to make sure they did not go too far. This was real torture."
The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, shortly after his capture (left) and (right) Mohammed in 2009 in Guantanamo Bay.

e account of extreme CIA interrogation comes as the US Senate prepares to publish a declassified version of its so-called "torture report", a 3600-page document based on a review of several million classified CIA documents.

Publication of the report is currently being held up by a dispute over how much of the 480-page public summary should remain classified, but it is expected to be published within weeks.

A second source who is familiar with the Senate report said that it contained several unflinching accounts of some CIA interrogations which, the source predicted, would "deeply shock" the general public.
Alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

Alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. Photo: AP

Dianne Feinstein, the Democrat chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee that wrote the report has promised that it will expose "brutality that stands in stark contrast to our values as a nation". The Senate report is understood to accuse the CIA of lying and of grossly exaggerating the usefulness of torture.

Its publication being angrily opposed by many senior Republicans, former CIA operatives and Bush-era officials, including the former US vice-president Dick Cheney, who argue that is it poorly researched and politically motivated.

The CIA has previously admitted that it used "black sites" to subject at least three high-value al-Qaeda detainees to "enhanced interrogation": namely Mohammed, the alleged USS Cole bomber Abd al Rahim al Nashiri and alleged senior Bin Laden aide Abu Zubaydah. An internal report in 2004 by the CIA's own Office of Inspector General admitted that Mohammed had been "waterboarded" 183 times and Abu Zubaydah 83 times - but actual details of how the interrogations were administered have never been provided. When the 109-page CIA report was made public in 2009 following a freedom of information lawsuit, large portions of it remained redacted - or blacked out - including all 23 pages that followed the factual admission that interrogators "applied the waterboard technique" to Mohammed.
Al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, waterboarded 83 times.

Al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah, waterboarded 83 times.

Among the additional difficulties for investigators seeking the truth about what happened is the fact that in November 2005 the CIA destroyed about 92 video tapes of its waterboarding and interrogation of Mohammed and the others. The White House and the State Department fear that the Senate report could still cause a backlash and have made preparations for increased security at sensitive sites when it is published.

Despite the destruction of video evidence, ha third source familiar with the still-classified accounts of the most severe of the CIA interrogations, said that the practices were much more brutal than is widely understood.

SECOND

Monday, September 8, 2014 9:15 PM

The release of the Senate Intelligence Report has become a titanic death-struggle about torture because someone goes to jail for these war crimes in plain sight. How this democracy will handle these crimes in an age of a surging ISIS will be deeply telling. Vice-president Dick Cheney claims nothing happened, nothing at all. According to him, the report is all wrong! www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/dick-cheney-interrogation_n_5589158.
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AURAPTOR

Monday, September 8, 2014 9:57 PM

If they simply answered the questions, then there'd be no need for any of this.

It's kinda on the terrorists who want to murder 1000's of innocents, and not on those doing their job to stop it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, September 9, 2014 5:21 PM

Er, no wrong as wrong can be.

If you use these tactics, you are nothing more than powerful, wealthy terrorists yourselves.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, September 9, 2014 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Er, no wrong as wrong can be.

If you use these tactics, you are nothing more than powerful, wealthy terrorists yourselves.

Er, no. Wrong as wrong can be.

It's called defending yourself FROM terrorists. No one is picking up foreigners and randomly water-boarding them for snorts and giggles.

You seem to lack a very real understanding of just how evil these Islamic nut jobs really are, and what they have planned for everyone not them.

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When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi walked away from a U.S. detention camp in 2009, the future leader of ISIS issued some chilling final words to reservists from Long Island.

The Islamist extremist some are now calling the most dangerous man in the world had a few parting words to his captors as he was released from the biggest U.S. detention camp in Iraq in 2009.

“He said, ‘I’ll see you guys in New York,’” recalls Army Col. Kenneth King, then the commanding officer of Camp Bucca.

And after the '93 attempt to bring down the WTC, what did the Islamo-zealots do ?

The continued ignoring of who these monsters are and what it really takes to defeat them is nothing short of astounding.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:14 PM

Go and join them, you morality free zone.

People who condone torture for any reason disgust me.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:40 PM

Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Because it sounds as if you have a bigger problem with those who try to defeat terrorists than the terrorists themselves.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:02 PM

It's well worth remembering a little something about the WTC 1993 bombing.

WHERE DID THEY GET THE FUCKING BOMB, Hmmm?
Why, the FBI supplied it to them, along with an expert to wire it up, AND forbade that expert, one Emad Salem, from sabotaging it - something he got on tape because he was suspicious of his handlers motives and actions.

And sure enough, they tried to deny he was an asset and pin it on him, at which point he pulled those tapes out, and it became clear that without the FBI deliberately aiding and abetting a terrorist cell, supplying them with the money and resources, the bombing never would have happened at all.

Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-th
wart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html

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The transcripts, which are stamped "draft" and compiled from 70 tapes recorded secretly during the last two years by Mr. Salem, were turned over to defense lawyers in the second bombing case by the Government on Tuesday under a judge's order barring lawyers from disseminating them. A large portion of the material was made available to The New York Times.

In a letter to Federal Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Andrew C. McCarthy, an assistant United States attorney, said that he had learned of the tapes while debriefing Mr. Salem and that the informer had then voluntarily turned them over. Other Salem tapes and transcripts were being withheld pending Government review, of "security and other issues," Mr. McCarthy said.

William M. Kunstler, a defense lawyer in the case, accused the Government this week of improper delay in handing over all the material. The transcripts he had seen, he said, "were filled with all sorts of Government misconduct." But citing the judge's order, he said he could not provide any details.

So what you've got here, is the FBI deliberately and maliciously sponsoring a terrorist bombing and then trying to hang the informant out to dry, a nice tidy little package of State-created "terrorism", like all the other manufactured so-called "plots"...

The FBI again thwarts its own Terror plot
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/

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Time and again, the FBI concocts a Terrorist attack, infiltrates Muslim communities in order to find recruits, persuades them to perpetrate the attack, supplies them with the money, weapons and know-how they need to carry it out — only to heroically jump in at the last moment, arrest the would-be perpetrators whom the FBI converted, and save a grateful nation from the plot manufactured by the FBI.

Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helpe
d-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.

FBI-Created 'Terrorist Plot' Fails To Produce A Single Terrorist -- But Does Plenty Of Damage To Individual Liberties
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120818/18363620090/fbi-created-ter
rorist-plot-fails-to-produce-single-terrorist-does-plenty-damage-to-individual-liberties.shtml

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As the FBI continues its perfect streak of successfully thwarting every terrorist plan it has conceived and put in motion itself (a few of which have been covered here), details of an unintentionally hilarious (and particularly horrendous) "terrorist plot" conjured up back in 2006 have emerged, thanks to an NPR expose and a lawsuit filed against the FBI by some of the unwilling participants.

FBI 'Stops' Yet Another Of Its Own Terrorist Threats
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130208/12264121921/fbi-stops-yet-a
nother-its-own-terrorist-threats.shtml

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SIGNYM

Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:10 PM

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Do people who condone/ commit terrorism also disgust you?

Terrorism is the aim of making ordinary non-combatants afraid, in order to meet some political or military goal. Instilling in the population a sense of surprise and dread

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... otherwise known as "shock and awe". The USA practices terrorism from 30,000 feet. The only difference between what we've done and what "they" do is the size of the weapon

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:12 PM

LOL

So, no conspiracy w/ Lois Lerner & the irs , where there IS a clear & obvious objective, to deny rights to citizens for pure political reasons. Got it.

But the FBI murdering 1000's of Americans to set up a false flag attack to frame those who actually are trying to kill us when there's no tangible benefit for the FBI , if successful. THAT is real!!!

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... otherwise known as "shock and awe". The USA practices terrorism from 30,000 feet. The only difference between what we've done and what "they" do is the size of the weapon

Why Spoilerize this ? Do you think yourself clever or something ?

To compare the US or any other free nation to the Islamo-nut jobs who attacked us on 9-11 is to reveal yourself to be void of any worth while intellect or humanity. Period.

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