John Kerry is a Socialist!

POSTED BY: Anarko
UPDATED: Thursday, October 28, 2004 23:37
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ANARKO

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:00 AM

I found this on the VH1 message board for the show "Best Week Ever."

KERRY IS A SOCIALIST!!

Go look up his plans for healthcare and the economy and tell me if it doesn't fall under or close to this definition....
SOCIALISM:

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Why do you Kerry supporters have to spead misinformation about BUSH all the time. Why don't you just sell your product which is more closer to a socialist ideology then a FREE MARKET ideology.

Who knows...maybe you'll get more followers to except WHO YOU ARE rather then to get those that come running to you b/c they are confused about BUSH because of all the misinformation put out there.

Greater then 50% of those that will be voting for Kerry come from the negative campaign against BUSH. HOWEVER, those same people truely don't know KERRY.

THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT WAS EVER A SUPER POWER AND A SOCIALIST SOCIETY WAS RUSSIA
And look what happened to it.It went bankrupt.

A big part of the reason why Russia's government failed,
was its not being able to afford its socialistic economic system
and its super power status AT THE SAME TIME.
Reagan's "Star War" policy pushed them over the edge
because they couldn't keep up with us.

In order for the USA to become socialistic,
we would have to give up our super power status..Its either one or the other.

Choosing Socialism could open us up to attacks from our enemies b/c they will see us weakened and use that to their advantage.

It would also leave a void in the world for other countries to fill.

The USA's role right now in the world is to defend Democrocy and freedom.

If we leave that role because we aren't a SUPER POWER anymore..other dangerous ideologies might just take over.

please think about that before you vote...ok.

http://www.vh1.com/interact/boards/main.jhtml/best_week_ever/ViewThrea
d?tID=644365&mID=3380631&offset=0&index=0

This I do to liberals......

MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:09 AM

socialism is a lot like communism isn't it? I like that. I wish we had a perfect leader to run that communist state. When will Jesus come? He'd be the only good leader... really.

ERIN9277

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:14 AM

While I respect your opinion, I think your comparision of socialism and communism is not accurate. Communism is a system of government that does not allow any private enterprise in economic and private sectors. Socialist governments allow private enterprise and capitalism but provide social programs and health care. For example, Sweden had an elected socialist government for years, but they never became or were known as a communist government. While I respect your opinion, I calling socialism communism is not accurate.

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:25 AM

Welcome to fireflyfans, Anarko (this being your first post and all). The Real World Event Discussions section is only a tiny fraction of what's goin on here.

I hope you enjoy your time here with fellow Browncoats.

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SERGEANTX

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:57 AM

I'm a Libertarian capitalist in all of my core political beliefs, which is about as close you can come to the true opposite of socialism. But under the current circumstances, Kerry could be a card carrying member of the communist party and he'd still get my vote. Not because I like him or his ideology. Fact is, I think he'll be a crummy president when it comes to the economy and domestic policy.

I'll vote for him because we have a rigged, two-party system which effectively limits our choice to one of two candidates. And because Bush has wiped his ass with the American flag and I'll never forgive him for it.

Bush passed up a golden opportunity to truly make the world a safer place. After 9/11 the world was ripe for a real, united stand against terrorism and nuclear proliferation. Nation after nation expressed its eagerness to help us get the terrorists responsible. We could have rallied their support into something real.

Instead, he's alienated most of the globe and only encouraged more terrorism against the US. He's drug us along on a religious vendetta and I'll be damned if I let my sons die for that sunuvabitch's 'faith'.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

KIRIKOLI

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:07 AM

Wow, that's...several kinds of inaccurate. I don't recall Kerry wanting the government to take over the means of production or equalize personal incomes and possessions. Oh wait...he wants people to have the same opportunities at health care and education...but that would be terrible! Then poor people could be healthy and smart! That is so like a socialist...

And I love how Kerry-supporters are lying about Bush. Even if this was true, wouldn't it be slightly more important to note that Bush is lying directly to you? How many times has he publically announced that we've won the war in Iraq? At least once. And how many times has he owned up to there being no WMDs? None that I recall. Don't get me wrong, I agreed with the war in Iraq in the beginning but try to honestly justify the ongoing events and Bush's portrayal of them.

Russia was not the only socialist superpower. China was pretty far up there. We were certainly afraid of them enough to not go through with our plans in Vietnam. And I definitely would say that people like Stalin and his slaughter of 40 million of his own people, as well as the extremely poor peasant class of Russia had something to do with the failure of their economy. And who knows? If there hadn't been a Cold War, mebbe they would've had a chance to stablize themselves and their new economy.

When we vote, why don't we think about what's best for the country...not how we should be policing the world. I'm all for the spread of democracy...but that doesn't equate to the imposition of democracy on less powerful countries by superpowers.

MANIACNUMBERONE

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 6:10 AM

I'm a believer in peace and freedom. Some folks like to call those like me a liberal... I guess I fits the bill. I like liberty. Liberty. Liberal. You get the picture.

Yer right SeargX, I don't think Bush has it either. Not that Kerry does, but the lesser of two evil demons is usually a better choice. Bush's prolly gonna win, (as the more powerful demon) but regardless, you can tell by really listening to him, with the spirit of discernment, that he is not being fully truthful... which is more dangerous than someone fully outright lying. I like that too. I don't mean I like what he's doing. I like that I recognize what he's doing.

But anyway, back to my real point... Jesus. Communism and Socialism are close enough that the distinctions can only be substantially drawn when one can apply their results to the action or inaction of an imperfect leader... not Jesus. Did I mention I like Jesus?

OK... now who's gonna respond and say they don't like Jesus?

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Inara: Who's winning?
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NEUTRINOLAD

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:11 AM

OK... now who's gonna respond and say they don't like Jesus?

*sigh*

OK, I guess I will.
Jesus, that fat bastard, was always eating. Made it hard to pick up harlots.
Jesus used to always wear those robes and sandals, then insist people wash his feet. If he wanted clean feet couldn't he have worn boots to cover his toes and blouse some trousers over them?
And the name-dropping?!? Forget about it. "My dad made the universe. My dad has a holy choir of angels. My dad is stronger than your dad."
Plus, he still owes me five bucks. I can't wait for the second coming, I need that money now!

CREVANREAVER

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:22 AM

With all due respect to anyone who disagrees, I personally do believe that John Kerry is a near socialist. As a libertarian I'm absolutely disgusted with many of his policies and views.

On another thread someone suggested that Kerry is a libertarian and I mentioned various things about his politics that are the exact opposite of libertarianism.

Libertarians ideologically are opposed to any government intervention in abortion, Kerry wants the government heavily involved in funding abortions.

True libertarians love capitalism, Kerry has a strong anti-business voting record.

The majority of libertarians see the public school as a failure and realize the best solution is to completely privatize the education system, Kerry has a history of pro-public education votes.

Most libertarians want the government out of our health care, Kerry is all for socialized health care.

Libertarians want Social Security privatized, Kerry has been staunchly oppose to that.

Every genuine libertarian has the highest respect for the Second Amendment of the US Constitution and unconditionally supports the right to bear arms, Kerry is for aggressive gun control.

He supported the Assault Weapons Band and the Brady Bill. He supports suing gun manufacturers for gun violence (showing he doesn't believe in personal responsibility). Overall Kerry has received a completely deserved F rating from the National Rifle Association due to his opposition to Americans' right to personal property.

The part about gun control is reason enough for me to not vote for Kerry. I consider the entire movement to restrict my rights to defend myself not only un-American, but flat out Anti-American.

And as to the issue with Social Security. Kerry has recently started ranting and raving that people shouldn't vote for President Bush because he'll privatize Social Security. That's a lie. The president will not privatize.

However Social Security SHOULD be privatized!

No matter what's done, eventually it will run out. It's not going to work, it was never going to work and a government bureaucracy only makes it worse. On top of that, the government shouldn't be in the charity business. If someone is dumb enough to not save up for themselves then that's their problem, not the tax payers.

Don't get me wrong, because of some of the authoritarian policies of the Bush Administration, I'm not going to vote for President Bush. I'll vote for Michael Badnarik of the Libertarian Party on November 2nd.

However, because of John Kerry's socialistic views, if I had to chose between Kerry and Bush, I'd go with President Bush.

As far as I'm concerned, George W. Bush is actually the lesser of two evils.

WHISPERING

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anarko:
A big part of the reason why Russia's government failed,
was its not being able to afford its socialistic economic system
and its super power status AT THE SAME TIME.
Reagan's "Star War" policy pushed them over the edge
because they couldn't keep up with us.

Uhm, are you talking about Russia or Soviet Union?

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