The US to be just another 3rd World Country in 10 years?
POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 00:07
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Not for anyone with an education, a positive work ethic, and a desire to succeed.
And a whole lot of luck. Or are you unaware of the unemployment rate amongst even those with all of the above?
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov
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Quote:All depends on the definition of "success". There is a video of the 2013 Survey of Consumer Finances from the Federal Reserve Board at http://bcove.me/jzrv8fwg
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Not for anyone with an education, a positive work ethic, and a desire to succeed.
And a whole lot of luck. Or are you unaware of the unemployment rate amongst even those with all of the above?
Some results: The distribution of family usual income is split into three groups, the bottom 50 percent of families, the next 40 percent of families and the top 10 percent of families. In 2013, mean income was $27,000 for the lowest income group, $84,700 for the middle income group, and $397,500 for the top income group.
In 2013 mean wealth was $99,200 for the lowest income group, $380,600 for the middle income group and $3.3 million for the top income group.
If you're in the bottom 50 percent of families, you might not be feeling "successful".
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Allow me to quote from the Matrix, Morpheus:
"Welcome to the real world"
The 1-percenters are making a statement, not all of them, but enough to affect the landscape. In effect: "Me Tarzan, you Jane" The game has been rigged for years against certain folks, but it has become more like class warfare, hence the feeling that the Third World has landed on our shores.
They demand that "we" grab our ankles and proclaim: "Thank you sir, may I have another"
SGG
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whether I consider myself a libertarian or not, I believe that most, if not every one of them I work with consider themselves Democrats. Even all of the white ones. Honestly, it's the first time I've ever felt the reverberations of the BEAT DOWN from this side of the fence....
Yah well, be careful what you wish for, right ?
FYI: One of the reasons I despise Eddie Blake so much is that, had I stayed the course instead of walking out on the powers-that-be over Nicaruagua, I woulda been just like him, and that makes me queasy, yanno ?
-F
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I hated that movie, but thats a great scene.
Wut nun uv the politicianz are talking about iz that it haz to go that way unless we giv up on the entire 'job' paradime. Cheap forin labor wuz only the preview. Automated production will continue to eliminate factory work everywhere and service jobz will start going away faster & faster till their arent any. You dont need to be a starry eyed visionary to understand that we hav been working on eliminating all labor for 200 yirz and the job will be finished this century.
The only question iz how to get stuff to people after the pay-for-work thing duznt work anymore. Are we going to end up with a Hunger Gamez scenario, in wich the wealthy hav successfully manuevered everybody else into safely distant powerless poverty, or will the entire mess crash into a Road Warrior landscape?
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Originally posted by second:
Some results: The distribution of family usual income is split into three groups, the bottom 50 percent of families, the next 40 percent of families and the top 10 percent of families. In 2013, mean income was $27,000 for the lowest income group, $84,700 for the middle income group, and $397,500 for the top income group.
In 2013 mean wealth was $99,200 for the lowest income group, $380,600 for the middle income group and $3.3 million for the top income group.
If you're in the bottom 50 percent of families, you might not be feeling "successful".
Hrmmmmm.....
I wonder where Grossing less than 12k a year puts me?
Then again, I am currently a family of one...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Six, what you are describing is the type of scenarios that led people to taking collective action and unionising, as well as fighting for decent working wages and conditions.
In a perfect world, maybe.....
But there is no unionizing now....
The UNIONS already ruined that for us. ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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All I can say is that in my going-on-20-years of work experience, I have seen some pretty drastic shifts in the work environment.
I know that by making minimum wage, part-time, I'm living well below my potential. Part of the allure of that for me was that it was a stress free place for all of us to work.
Some need to be babysat, and haven't been, but that's a very small minority. I'd say on a shift with nearly 20 workers, only 2 or 3 of them are too stupid or lazy to do the job. 14 of them do just as much work as I'd expect from minimum wage employees and the other 2 or 3 of them constantly out-perform for what they're being paid.
I LOVE NOT BEING BABYSAT! I THRIVE on being given a very long leash and taking advantage of my situation and have earned the trust of the higher-ups while not alienating my peers. Sometimes I make mistakes and ideas I had backfire on me, but more often than not I just go ahead and do something that makes sense and end up smelling like roses on the other side.
For example, in my current work environment I never would have been able to affect the biggest quality of life change that has happened to the night shift at my store. The Consecutive-Nights-Shift.....
About 4 months after I started working there, I was getting sick of the 1 night on, 1 night off garbage. You felt like you were working 7 days a week because you worked practically every other night, so you slept every day and were up on your off nights......
My manager and I got into a little heated argument about it and he said something like "you said you had 100% availability on your application". "You're damn right I said that, but it didn't mean that you could take my 24/7 and ravage it as you like every week. ESPECIALLY when people work at night, they should have 2-3 day weekends in between work shifts."
When it seemed like we wouldn't come to an agreement, I asked him if I should give my 2 weeks notice now or just leave, and he thought a moment and worked it out. I had to work weekends for about 6 months to get my straight days, but it worked. (Now I'm Monday through Wednesday, SCORE!!!) What I noticed from then up until now though is that my manager has been doing that for everyone.... not just me. Even if he's not able to give everyone ALL consecutive days, he makes every best effort to never give somebody less than 2 nights off at a time. He never even considered this until I brought it up....
I hope that plan stays in effect.
My boss has in many ways been rendered ineffective now. Which, shit rolling downhill and all, renders my thoughts almost meaningless. My store manager is gone...
It's just so freaking weird... Twilight Zone-Like, even......
I'm watching almost a carbon copy of 2009 in my last Great position....
It seems like there is so much less at stake, but when you're making minimum wage with zero benefits it's because you absolutely can't live without that money.
It's one thing to be able to say to yourself at a nice office job with benefits.... "F--k this shit, I'll just go work at McDonalds!!!!"
What do you do when your minimum wage Nirvana becomes just as shitty a place to work?????
"F--k this shit, I'll just go do the jobs that American's don't want to do??????"
I will, if you pay me right ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Six
We seem to be on parallel conversations. My comment merely reflected this fact: the only thing that's keeping those people from starving to death on the street are the horrible government interventions like the minimum wage, food stamps, medicaid etc. But give libertarians time and even those will be gone. Then we'll have reached libertarian nirvana.
Wow.....
A lot of poor relief is leaving Gary because of something I voted on. It is unfair because although most people here have better jobs, they're not "rich"..... There's no gated communities or McMansion projects around....
Still though. It's nice living this close to Gary and not having to sleep with a gun under your pillow...
LOL.....
IN the end WE LOST there too.....
My property taxes were lowered about $250 bucks. As little as I make, my County tax was raised and cost me almost $200 bucks. If I made a lot more money, it would be a lot higher a figure.
I voted for that.....
So long as I stay at nearly the bottom and get foodstamps I make out on the deal. If I ever get a decent job again, not only did I re-divert funds that just flowed into the Gary Government Coffers, but I just helped force a much larger tax on the middle class in the process.
You seriuosly need to have to pass the bar to be qualified to vote......
Even if you were, why would you care?
95% of us are so stupid and/or self centered.....
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
In a perfect world, maybe.....
But there is no unionizing now....
The UNIONS already ruined that for us. ;)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I'd say that one of the reasons why its so shitty to be in the US if you in the lowest wage bracket IS because you are so poorly unionised. That's where unionism grew out of, the most poorly paid, poorly treated workers being sick to death - literally in some cases - of being treated with contempt and cruelty by employers.
Collective action has many benefits. I wouldnt diss it if you are feeling so put upon.
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