is this a change of heart?

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ZOID

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:03 AM

Okay. I know this is going to peeve some people...

I think SMG is a talentless hack. There, I've said it. I mean, Scooby Freakin' Doo?!? Twice?!? Between her and her husband -- the acting equivalent of Shaker furniture -- she has the greater talent, but that's saying exactly zip. And frankly, their Moonie-like belief system is creepier than Reavers. It's like the Stepford Wives on Prozac (c) (R) (TM)...

But to actually come out and say that she'll be picking and choosing JW's scripts to match her starpower is worse than insulting. It's banal. It's delusional. To quote Mike Tyson, "It'th ludicruth!"

In 3 years time she'll be begging for a co-cameo with Kathie Lee Gifford on "Son of the Beach" as a mother-daughter hooker team.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. In which case, I'd hate to be the sets guy on that shoot: "Hey, zoid! Getcher ass over here and make this door wider! We can't get Mizz Gellar-PrinzeJunior's head through it!"

Truly Incensed,

zoid

P.S.
It's okay to hate me on this one. I understand. But if she's gonna sh*t on the man who made her, then I'm gonna call it as I see it, too.

"Veni, vidi, vici" Julius Caesar

"Vidi, vici, veni" zoid

STARPILOTGRAINGER

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:25 AM

Y'know what... I really can't see Buffy coming to the big screen. TV movies, sure, I could see that (and think SMG should jump at the chance to do one - I'm not against her acting, but she doesn't seem to be 'big' enough to be turning down good, paying jobs that help build her a fan base that may follow her later). Likewise with Boreanaz. Wanting to take a break from a character's fine and understandable, but to rule it out entirely based on the _format_ (TV movie rather than big screen) seems a bad move.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Okay. I know this is going to peeve some people...

I think SMG is a talentless hack. There, I've said it. I mean, Scooby Freakin' Doo?!? Twice?!? Between her and her husband -- the acting equivalent of Shaker furniture -- she has the greater talent, but that's saying exactly zip. And frankly, their Moonie-like belief system is creepier than Reavers. It's like the Stepford Wives on Prozac (c) (R) (TM)...

But to actually come out and say that she'll be picking and choosing JW's scripts to match her starpower is worse than insulting. It's banal. It's delusional. To quote Mike Tyson, "It'th ludicruth!"

In 3 years time she'll be begging for a co-cameo with Kathie Lee Gifford on "Son of the Beach" as a mother-daughter hooker team.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. In which case, I'd hate to be the sets guy on that shoot: "Hey, zoid! Getcher ass over here and make this door wider! We can't get Mizz Gellar-PrinzeJunior's head through it!"

Truly Incensed,

zoid

P.S.
It's okay to hate me on this one. I understand. But if she's gonna sh*t on the man who made her, then I'm gonna call it as I see it, too.

"Veni, vidi, vici" Julius Caesar

"Vidi, vici, veni" zoid

ROFLMAO!

This is why I love you Zoid! No B.S. No beating around the bush. No sugar coating. No P.C. double talk. Just shoot straight from the hip and call 'em like you see 'em.

I liked SMG in Buffy, but I never really thought of her as an incredibly gifted actress. She is better than most, but she doesn't have the power to pick and choose that she seems to think she does. I mean come on! Two Scooby Doo movies? What was she thinking?

If Joss ever does a BtVS movie, she better pray that Joss let's her do it. If the commentary on the FF DVD set is any indication, SMG has not done much in the last few years to ingratiate herself w/ Joss.

She should be wary not to rely too heavily on her self perceived power.

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CYBERSNARK

Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I mean come on! Two Scooby Doo movies? What was she thinking?

At first she was probably thinking to demonstrate her acting range. When they started the second movie, she was probably thinking "God, what've I gotten myself into."

I'll reserve judgement until I see how well The Grudge ends up doing.

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BADGERSHAT

Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
Okay. I know this is going to peeve some people...

I think SMG is a talentless hack. There, I've said it. I mean, Scooby Freakin' Doo?!? Twice?!? Between her and her husband -- the acting equivalent of Shaker furniture -- she has the greater talent, but that's saying exactly zip. And frankly, their Moonie-like belief system is creepier than Reavers. It's like the Stepford Wives on Prozac (c) (R) (TM)...

But to actually come out and say that she'll be picking and choosing JW's scripts to match her starpower is worse than insulting. It's banal. It's delusional. To quote Mike Tyson, "It'th ludicruth!"

In 3 years time she'll be begging for a co-cameo with Kathie Lee Gifford on "Son of the Beach" as a mother-daughter hooker team.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. In which case, I'd hate to be the sets guy on that shoot: "Hey, zoid! Getcher ass over here and make this door wider! We can't get Mizz Gellar-PrinzeJunior's head through it!"

Truly Incensed,

zoid

P.S.
It's okay to hate me on this one. I understand. But if she's gonna sh*t on the man who made her, then I'm gonna call it as I see it, too.

"Veni, vidi, vici" Julius Caesar

"Vidi, vici, veni" zoid

Zoid, it's not physically possible to hate you, you're too damn loveable.

Plus, outside of "Buffy" I have to agree with you, her acting range is the equivalent of the local Pizza Putt-Putt mini golf course... okay, that was a bit wordy, but you get the idea.

And even in BTVS, she was constantly outdone by the supporting cast around her (most especially Anthony Steward Head and the mind-blowingly talented James Marsters).

She's got the "Gosh, I'm so cute in this spotlight" smile, the "I'm upset because things went someone else's way" pout, and the "Ain't I a bad-ass in my Prada fighting gear" glare.

Basically, I think a movie could be made without her, and not really suffer all that much--focus more on the other guys.

Just my two cents.

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PURPLEBELLY

Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:38 PM

Now do you see why all the crew have got to die in the movie?

DIETCOKE

Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:18 PM

Browncoat1, I'm more of the opinion of you. I think she was good in Buffy and Joss wrote scripts that were for her talent and range. However, she has a very small range and I can't see her doing Blanche in "Street Car Named Desire" or Lady Macbeth.

I would hope that she would always be gracious to her old boss who ensured that she got a nice little paycheck for seven years.

And as to why she does these stupid movies, it is easy to answer. It's a job. Just as we are forced to do things at work that we don't like or find creatively stimulating, we have to make a living, plain and simple.

Don't think I'm going to rush out and see "The Grudge" but would love to here what people think this weekend.

BIKISDAD

Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

"Veni, vidi, vici" Julius Caesar

"Vidi, vici, veni" zoid

Can't say I disagree with your post - except that SMG showed plenty of times on Buffy that she can act. But the rest of it makes a good point, or two.

However, NASTY sig, if you mean what I think you mean...

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DANFAN

Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:45 PM

I'd have to say that I don't consider SMG a "talentless hack." She strikes me as more of a "jouneyman actress." That is, with good writing (within her range), directing, and supporting cast, she can turn in a convincing job. But she hasn't the talent horsepower to take a less optimum situation and carry it to success. The thing about her that tends to irritate me are the quotes from her that seems to indicate that SHE thinks she's got that kind of acting horsepower.

In other words, I think she's plenty talented to play Sarah Michelle Gellar. If someone writes a part with a personality like Sarah Michelle Gellar, then SMG can play her well. In my opinion, Joss perfectly crafted Buffy around SMG's personality and skill so that SMG could play that part as well as she did. I consider that a greater indication of Joss's talent than SMG's.

FFYING2

Friday, October 22, 2004 4:57 AM

Quote:
embers:
If Joss is involved then OF COURSE the script will be brilliant,
and the idiots who made the 'Buffy' movie threw out most of his script and allowed the brainless actors to ad lib (the director wanted to make a farce so she abandoned the entire premise of Joss's screen play)...so that is a stupid way to judge what a future Buffy movie would or could be.

I agree with you for the most part, but you're missing part of the picture.

What Gellar said, quoted elsewhere, was:

Quote:
Gellar:
...when you make a film you're setting your self {sic} up to disappoint people. Part of the reason I believe the show worked was because the story's an arc and you felt for this character's experience, and it wasn't a beginning, middle and end and I don't believe she worked like that. I say that now, and if in a year they could send me the script, I could think it's great and we could be at the junket a year and a half from now, but I will say that I have a lot of hesitations about it and it is not something I particularly want to do at this time.
(emphasis added)

http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1526

I'm sure Joss could write a great Buffy movie script (I'm willing to assume that he already did so originally). However, SMG is making the same point that Joss made about writing the Serenity movie script. To paraphrase Joss, a movie needs to be a short, closed story that's larger than life. A series is smaller and can develop over years.

She's saying that a movie of Buffy can't be like the Buffy series, so fans will be disappointed. She may be right. But where she may differ from Joss is that Joss is confident that he successfully "filmaticized" Firefly, so he could probably do it with Buffy, too.

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