Meanwhile, back in Libya

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JONGSSTRAW

Monday, July 28, 2014 5:28 AM

AURAPTOR

Monday, July 28, 2014 5:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Because nothing quite says I'm a crazy bitch like posting crazy-bitch postcards.

See ? She DOES get it !!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Monday, July 28, 2014 5:49 AM

And you do too! By popular acclaim - Jongstraw - Firefly's own crazy bitch!

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Monday, July 28, 2014 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GEEZER- So let's see... In Libya under Qaddafi, you had plenty of food, free education open equally to both men AND women, reliable utilities, a generous housing allowance for newlyweds, and a secular government. Well, you might have to be careful of the guy on the top, and what you said about him.

Hey, if you like living in Oceania, with ten to twenty percent of the people reporting to the secret police and Big Brother deciding if you deserve to live for having thought crimes, it'd be a cool place. You couldn't have lived there...for long.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, July 28, 2014 7:20 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why do our bases protect Saudi Arabia, which isn't a quaint little harmless monarchy but a functioning dictatorship which turns women into chattel? Why did we support the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan, and al Qaida in Syria?

Are you only in favor of dictatorships when we "get something" out of it, like cheap oil? Is your love of freedom conditioned on how much it might cost you? 'Cause, yanno, if you're against dictatorship, be against it, consistently

Sadly this is true. It's why the USA's posturing about democracy and freedom seems so hollow to those of us outside the USA.

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 28, 2014 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It's why the USA's posturing about democracy and freedom seems so hollow to those of us outside the USA.

And some of us from inside it.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 28, 2014 8:11 AM

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Horse puckys indeed. “Very early on I heard something on NPR”. Really Sig, and then you bring up the Ukraine as though they are connected through a conspiracy of numbers somehow.

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that we have a tendency to see all Libyans as wanting the same thing, even when there are significant differences among the people. It's the same hubris that caused us to think that "Iraqis hate Saddam Hussein". SOME Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, and some Ukrainians wanted to get rid of Yanukovich.

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Let’s try and not confuse the two shall we. The Libyans got tired of being ruled by a dictator which was the case with much of the Middle East at that time. They followed the way of other Middle Eastern counties and revolted. They called for our help. We make enemies of some Libyans if we do and others if we do not. We played our cards in a fashion to try and be seen as allies of freedom, rather than as a country that allowed a dictator to stay in place against the wishes of its people. We have had enough of that. Either way we lose.

Actually, it went like this...

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According to the General-Secretary of the LLHR, Dr. Sliman Bouchuiguir, the claims about the massacres in Benghazi could not be validated by the LLHR when he was challenged for proof. When asked how a group of 70 non-governmental organizations in Geneva could support the LLHR’s claims on Geneva, Dr. Buchuiguir has answered that a network of close relationships was the basis. This is a mockery.

Speculation is neither evidence nor grounds for starting a war with a bombing campaign that has lasted about half a year and taken many innocent civilian lives, including children and the elderly. What is important to note here is that the U.N. Security Council decided to sanction the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya on the basis of this letter and the claims of the LLHR. Not once did the U.N. Security Council and the member states pushing for war once bother to even investigate the allegations. In one session in New York City, the Indian Ambassador to the U.N. actually pointed this out when his country abstained from voting. Thus, a so-called “humanitarian war” was launched without any evidence.

US actions started with the stated intention of supposedly creating a "no fly" zone, then quickly graduated to bombing.

NATO knew ahead of time that the groups opposing Qaddafi were mingled with al Qaida and other jihadists/ mujahideen returning from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Chechnya.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-are-the-libyan-freedom-fighters-and-t
heir-patrons/23947?print=1

Apparently, the USA asked the Saudis to arm the rebels, but the Saudis demurred, so arms were shipped from Qatar instead.

U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadis’ Hands
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-
rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?pagewanted=all

So, indirectly, we supported al Qaida.

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I see your delusion remains intact that the United States, the EU and our Jihadists are responsible for pulling the strings of everything that goes on, on this planet. Do you read what you post after you post it? It suggests a detachment from reality on a grand scale. It appears you can no longer (if you ever could) put things into their proper context. When I say this, it is out of concern because some of your friends here are noticing a marked difference in your behavior.

Please see above. You are hardly one to talk about detachment from reality, since most of this seems to have slipped past you.

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I only know what I heard them say Sig

No, you only heard what SOME of them said.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 28, 2014 8:13 AM

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Hey, if you like living in Oceania, with ten to twenty percent of the people reporting to the secret police and Big Brother deciding if you deserve to live for having thought crimes, it'd be a cool place. You couldn't have lived there...for long.

Yeah, because things are SO MUCH BETTER NOW in Libya. [/snark]

So what have we accomplished? That's a point you have yet to explain.

THGRRI

Monday, July 28, 2014 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Hey, if you like living in Oceania, with ten to twenty percent of the people reporting to the secret police and Big Brother deciding if you deserve to live for having thought crimes, it'd be a cool place. You couldn't have lived there...for long.
Yeah, because things are SO MUCH BETTER NOW in Libya. [/snark]

So what have we accomplished? That's a point you have yet to explain.

The American Revolution lasted for only 7 years. It is considered to be an anomaly among wars that involve the use of guerilla tactics and ungainly militias. These things take time. Meanwhile, people like you point assuredly at the inevitable horror of it all and cry foul. The Libyans decided to rid themselves of a dictator. Good for them. Let's hope reason and sanity overtakes them sooner rather than later.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:50 PM

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The American Revolution lasted for only 7 years. It is considered to be an anomaly among wars that involve the use of guerilla tactics and ungainly militias.

First of all, you moron, Libyans aren't fighting Qaddafi, who's been dead for several years now, they're fighting each other. It would be as if Britain deposed President George Washington, and then the colonies immediately started fighting with each other for control. If that was supposed to be an analogy, you failed epically.

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The Libyans decided to rid themselves of a dictator

SOME Libyans wanted to get rid of Qaddafi and install a western-style democracy, and some wanted to build a Muslim state under Sharia law, and more than a few fighters were from foreign countries. We should pick our friends more carefully.

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Let's hope reason and sanity overtakes them sooner rather than later.

So, that's our strategy, eh? Destroy nations, and then HOPE that sooner or later... maybe decades later... reason and sanity take over?

A 1.5-Million-Gallon Gasoline Tank Is On Fire In Libya's Chaotic Capital

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/rocket-fire-libya-airport-2014-7/

Flying proudly over the birthplace of Libya's revolution, the flag of Al Qaeda

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055630/Flying-proudly-birthpl
ace-Libyas-revolution-flag-Al-Qaeda.html#ixzz38reVe6qZ

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Mr Abdul-Jalil has been at pains to insist ‘that we as Libyans are moderate Muslims’, and has said the proposed constitution is ‘temporary’ and will be put to a referendum. But he has given a speech in which he said any law that ‘violates sharia’ is ‘null and void’.

This means Libyan men will be free to take more than one wife, a policy branded a ‘disaster for women’ by Adelrahman al-Shatr, a founder of the newly-formed centre-right Party of National Solidarity. He said: ‘By abolishing the marriage law, women lose the right to keep the family home if they divorce. It is a disaster for Libyan women.
‘It is a subject that should be discussed with the different political groups and with the Libyan people. These declarations create feelings of pain and bitterness among women.’ A spokesman for a group called Women Living Under Muslim Laws said: ‘Women are directly targeted by this change in laws and will lose many acquired rights in the process.’

If we did as a great thing for Libya as you imagine, shouldn't Libyans feel grateful... grateful... for our 'help'?

Sheesh. No wonder so many people around the world hate us!

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