Meanwhile, back in Libya

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:59 PM

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I don’t support a dictatorial way of life period.

Why do our bases protect Saudi Arabia, which isn't a quaint little harmless monarchy but a functioning dictatorship which turns women into chattel? Why did we support the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan, and al Qaida in Syria?

Are you only in favor of dictatorships when we "get something" out of it, like cheap oil? Is your love of freedom conditioned on how much it might cost you? 'Cause, yanno, if you're against dictatorship, be against it, consistently

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:04 PM

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I see no evidence of that

With detail
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow

List, to about 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

THGRRI

Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:14 PM

Me
I don’t support a dictatorial way of life period.

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….Sig
Why do our bases protect Saudi Arabia, which isn't a quaint little harmless monarchy but a functioning dictatorship which turns women into chattel? Why did we support the "mujahideen" in Afghanistan, and al Qaida in Syria?

Are bases in Saudi Arabia are to establish a place from which we can respond quickly to trouble in that region. There are still over a million people living today in this country alone who fought in WW11. They also have oil. We need the oil and if we overthrow the government there you would bitch about that to. So we do business with who is running the place. We still push them to change their ways. So be it gently.

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…Sig
Are you only in favor of dictatorships when we "get something" out of it, like cheap oil? Is your love of freedom conditioned on how much it might cost you? 'Cause, yanno, if you're against dictatorship, be against it, consistently

Just dumb here. Nothing I wish to respond to.

THGRRI

Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I see no evidence of that

With detail
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow

List, to about 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?

I should also point out you post these links as proof to the United States overthrowing 40 democracies around the world and I see reasonably democratic referred to in the first link and in the second I keep seeing communism mentioned not so much democracies. I see these links as proof you made up us overthrowing 40 democratic countries.

These articles are exactly the kind of posting you always do. This happened, that happened with no researched evidence or context.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I see no evidence of that

With detail
http://www.alternet.org/story/39416/america%27s_100_years_of_overthrow

List, to about 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

*sigh* No one's gonna read factual material that they have already decided is false.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 28, 2014 12:50 AM

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Not even!

SIGNYM

Monday, July 28, 2014 12:53 AM

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Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?

Because I cross-checked these lists (which were linked as a convenient starting point) against other sources, and I lived thru a number of them and know about them from personal history. Good enough?

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Are [sic] bases in Saudi Arabia are to establish a place from which we can respond quickly to trouble in that region.

What kind of trouble might that be? Wouldn't it be a tyranny with a nearly endless source of money which funds and promotes jihadists and terrorists all around the world? A nation with a hugely corrupt leadership which treats women and non-Muslims as subhuman? You mean, THAT kind of trouble?

And, if not THAT kind of trouble, what kind of trouble are you yapping about?

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There are still over a million people living today in this country alone who fought in WW11.

Huh? We're there to protect the elderly?

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They also have oil. We need the oil and if we overthrow the government there you would bitch about that to.

No, I wouldn't. And I lived thru the oil embargo of 1973, so I know what that's like.

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So we do business with who is running the place.

Not exactly.

NSA Helps Saudi Arabia Crush Dissent … Like It Helps Crush Dissent at Home
http://investmentwatchblog.com/nsa-helps-saudi-arabia-crush-dissent-li
ke-it-helps-crush-dissent-at-home/#XuzZXK1mzEL7rKIl.99

This is just one of many articles which details our active support of tyranny in the Middle East.

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We still push them to change their ways. So be it gently.

No, we don't. We supported their operations in Libya and Syria, and were all on-board when Bandar "Bush" bin-Sultan threatened Putin with Chechnyan terrorism during Sochi.

1KIKI

Monday, July 28, 2014 12:58 AM

See here G, apparently when Signy posts about shit, you think it's JUST WHINING. Did I misquote you? I very carefully posted your first 2 posts in their entirety below.

No credit to the topic, no acknowledgement that just maybe the facts are true, nope - only a pointed finger at someone who's JUST WHINING. Along with blamestorming b/c you ASSUME SignyM isn't personally DOING SOMETHING about it.

So, are you going to discuss the topic - ever - or continue to assassinate Signy's character instead?

BTW, I'm curious if you think the information that our government is doing this shit all around the globe with our money in our name - the government we're responsible for b/c we continue to vote it in place - is important.

Now you're just whining - and almost hysterically. I'm honestly starting to worry, something's not right with you, what do you hope to gain by obsessing about things you can't change?
OR
Run for office and change things - complaining or predicting doesn't change anything.
Do you have a manageable solution for this, one that is actually doable, that would actually be put into place by this administration?

Fuck, you really are nuts, and probably dangerous. How do you know I'm not making a fuss? Please answer that.

Your post, negative presumptions, all of them. You presume the worst of others to make yourself feel superior - egomania defined. None of the garbage you presumed about me is even close to the truth.
"Willing to claw your way up onto the shoulders of drowning people" can you please be a little more melodramatic?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, July 28, 2014 1:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Both your links are to opinions by Robert Sherrill and William Blum. They are statements about events in history without sources listed by researched history books or anyone else. Why do you think this is in any proof of your claims?
Because I cross-checked these lists (which were linked as a convenient starting point) against other sources, and I lived thru a number of them and know about them from personal history. Good enough?

I lived through much of this myself and my understanding of what took place and why differs slightly from yours. Your cross checking means nothing without links for me to see what you are referencing.

Let's not drift from the main point as you like to do when challenged. You still have not provided proof that the United States was responsible for overthrowing 40 democracies.

Or why it matters to you that Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship if all have free health care. You seem to think that was all that mattered about Libya. Food on the table and school is all that's required according to you.

SIGNYM

Monday, July 28, 2014 1:17 AM

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Or why it matters to you that Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship if all have free health care.

Libyans had significantly more freedom than Saudis, and Libyan women's freedom was incomparably better than Saudis. Now, they have significantly less.

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