CIA does a major walk-back on Russia being at fault

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UPDATED: Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:49
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AURAPTOR

Friday, July 25, 2014 1:03 AM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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" Ditto what you said " ???

Omg, we have a Rush Limbaugh ditto - head among us!!! LOL

Pointless as usual.

Humorless as usual.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, July 25, 2014 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" Ditto what you said " ???

Omg, we have a Rush Limbaugh ditto - head among us!!! LOL

Pointless as usual.

Humorless as usual.

Yeah, you wore it out long ago. Make an effort to not be a dick, and you might earn back the right to be taken with a sense of humor.

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SIGNYM

Friday, July 25, 2014 10:22 AM

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Considering that the U.S. can identify what type of missile was used and where it was fired from by its radar emissions and the damage to the aircraft, seems that they can say that... and they have.

Considering that you accept innuendo like a form of proof, no wonder you don't notice its use.

Anyway, I have a real life, I really do. A job, a family, and all. Yes, I've seen most of the articles that you've linked. No, I don't consider them proof... just allegations and hearsay. At some point later, I'll respond to whatever survives the next few news cycles. Most of this is ghafla.

GEEZER

Friday, July 25, 2014 7:22 PM

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No, I don't consider them proof...

Just out of curiosity, what would you consider "proof"?

Any photographs you would call fake (as you already have). Any message transcripts you would call fake (as you already have). Any radar data you would call fake (as you already have). A separatist commander saying SA-11 missiles were in Eastern Ukraine you would call fake (as you already have).

What would convince you that the airliner was brought down by a missile provided by Russia and fired by separatists?

Would anything?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

AURAPTOR

Friday, July 25, 2014 7:29 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Yeah, you wore it out long ago. Make an effort to not be a dick, and you might earn back the right to be taken with a sense of humor.

See, you're doing it again.

Lighten up, Francis.

THGRRI

Friday, July 25, 2014 8:21 PM

Funny, again rolling on the floor.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 25, 2014 8:36 PM

Hmmm... what would I consider "proof"? Certainly not the kind of photo that THUGR just posted!

Anything evidence that would be made available to the "other side" to be subject to verification, as the Russians have offered.

Anything made available to the public with a wealth of detail that would be hard to fake.

Anything discovered under the observation of interested parties from both sides.

Anything provided by one party that would be counter to its own interests.

Anything with chain of custody seal, and a "level four" data package associated with it.

That doesn't include tweets from unverifiable sources, or conclusions like powerpoint slides (without supporting verifiable data) from one side of the story, or what someone said about what they heard from someplace else (without verifiable data).

FWIW, during this whole time, Kiev has never stopped shelling the area. Unarmed Australian police are cooling their heels in London because the risk of being shelled by Kiev is too great to send them into the conflict area. However, Nederlander MPs are being sent to the site, which is understandably termed "dangerous"

This kind of reminds me of how Hans Blix' UN team doing the inspection of Iraq was chased out by USA bombers. Because, yanno, who the hell wants the truth if all you want to do is go to war? Right?

I'm not a defense attorney nor a prosecutor, I'm sure they have their own yardstick. But in the data that I've analyzed, those would be fairly reliable, in my view.

Anyway, the reality is that Kiev continues to shell Donetsk and Luhansk AND areas near the crash site - making investigation impossible, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have fled over the border to Russia, (let the ethnic cleansing begin!), someone is shelling Ukrianian army positions, and...

"Yats" - Prime Minister that Victoria Nuland (State Department) wanted, the IMF's guy- has tendered his resignation. The new Kiev government, when it is re-formed, will probably give MORE power to the Nazis in government (Pravy Sektor and others) and then the situation in Ukraine will become more violent.

Collapse of Ukraine Government: Prime Minister Yatsenyuk Resigns amidst Pressures Exerted by the IMF
http://www.globalresearch.ca/collapse-of-ukraine-government-prime-mini
ster-yatsenyuk-resigns-amidst-pressures-exerted-by-the-imf/5393168

THGRRI

Friday, July 25, 2014 9:05 PM

I would love to take credit for that picture Sig but alas that post belongs to G.

Sig, please, the reason I have had such a hard time dealing with your posts is because you post constantly how the west is up to this or that, has done this or that while showing little regard for and even dismissing the facts. I would love to see you hold to the same impossibly high standards when judging the rest of the world as when Russia is the one under the microscope.

SIGNYM

Friday, July 25, 2014 9:24 PM

Key Piece of Video “Evidence” for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked

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Jacob Dreizin, a US citizen who speaks Russian and reads Ukrainian provided this update three hours ago.

Hello Mish,

On Friday, the Daily Mail, one of the major UK tabloids carried photos and video of what was alleged to be a rebel “Buk” launcher heading back to Russia. The article carried a claim from some Ukrainian source that the launcher was missing several missiles after having shot them at the Malaysian 777. The article was prominently linked to the Drudge Report, and so was probably viewed by several million people.

Today, this meme made it into Uncle Sam’s official narrative, as per the following New York Times excerpt:

On the CBS program “Face the Nation,” Mr. Kerry referred to a video that the Ukrainians have made public showing an SA-11 unit heading back to Russia after the downing of the plane with “a missing missile or so.”

The video referenced by the New York Times was, in fact, posted on the Facebook account of the Ukrainian Interior Minister. The allegation was that the launcher was crossing the border with Russia.

However, going by the billboard and other features of the scenery, Russian bloggers and news sources claim to have identified the road in the video as having been taken in or near the town of Krasnoarmeisk (“Krasnoarmiysk” in Ukrainian), which has been under Kiev’s control since May.

In fact, the billboard is supposedly advertising a Krasnoarmeisk car dealership. Also, one of the structures in the background is said to be a construction materials store on Gorkii Street, Krasnoarmeisk.

Please note that this town is (very roughly) 120 kilometers from the Russian border and 80 kilometers from where the Malaysian 777 went down. And again, it has been under Kiev’s control since May.

At least one other clip of the “Russian Buk” that has been made available also suggests that the Ukrainians are showing their own equipment. I’m still working on researching that one for you.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/key-piece-of-video-evidence-for-russian-r
esponsibility-for-malaysian-plane-shootdown-debunked/5392624

SIGNYM

Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 PM

U.S. Government Lied to Pretend that Accidental Russian Shootdown of Commercial Plane Was Intentional … Three Decades Ago

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Falsifying the Case

To make the very blackest case against Moscow, the Reagan administration suppressed the exculpatory evidence from the U.S. electronic intercepts. The U.S. mantra became “the deliberate downing of a civilian passenger plane.” Newsweek ran a cover emblazoned with the headline “Murder in the Sky.”

“The Reagan administration’s spin machine began cranking up,” wrote Alvin A. Snyder, then-director of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division, in his 1995 book, Warriors of Disinformation.

USIA Director Charles Z. Wick “ordered his top agency aides to form a special task force to devise ways of playing the story overseas. The objective, quite simply, was to heap as much abuse on the Soviet Union as possible,” Snyder recalled.

Snyder noted that “the American media swallowed the U.S. government line without reservation. Said the venerable Ted Koppel on the ABC News ‘Nightline’ program: ‘This has been one of those occasions when there is very little difference between what is churned out by the U.S. government propaganda organs and by the commercial broadcasting networks.’”

On Sept. 6, 1983, the Reagan administration went so far as to present a doctored transcript of the intercepts to the United Nations Security Council (a prelude to a similar false presentation two decades later by Secretary of State Colin Powell on Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction).

“The tape was supposed to run 50 minutes,” Snyder said about recorded Soviet intercepts. “But the tape segment we [at USIA] had ran only eight minutes and 32 seconds. … ‘Do I detect the fine hand of [Richard Nixon's secretary] Rosemary Woods here?’ I asked sarcastically.’”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/u-s-government-lied-accidental-
shootdown-commercial-plane-3-decades-ago.html

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