Edge of Tomorrow

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Saturday, October 18, 2025 16:24
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And now you're getting too obvious playing your sock part, JSF. You just rewrote a Hollywood movie to fit your "neocon" ideas. (And now this thread really does belong in RWED LOL!)

To take you at your word: Dude, the movie ain't real life, but neither is it some fantasy where the hero you ID with and like so much is by default 100% a hero at all times no matter what actions he takes. In your world he's the guy you like so he must be right ALL the time, and you twist and turn and wriggle to make it so, even more than he did on screen.

It says a lot about the character you are playing on this website, JSF, that you'd be so selfish as to think it's OK for a general carrying the survival of the human race on his back to bow down to the demands of an inferior, inexperienced, cowardly blowhard\.

BTW, have you noticed how different your style and language are in different threads, or how it's all shifted over time? Getting sloppy, my friend.

Still, my original offer stands. Let's see what the DVD says. Let's see what the writers - the actual creators of this movie and its characters - intended. I know you'll just somehow claim to know the "truth" better than the people who actually created this fantasy and it's characters, but that's OK. I enjoy seeing how twisty you get in defense of your bizarre RWA role play.

(Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.

Basically, JSF is nuts. And he knows it. He plays it well.)




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Tom Cruise displays something that appears to be telepathy, when it is not that at all. It is precognition or, exactly, seeing the future because he has been there. Cruise is better than River Tam at discovering people's inner secrets. For example:
"Your name is NOT really Ford. Ford was your friend who died in combat on his first day. You took his place and send your paychecks to his family."

That little revelation surprised Ford and the entire platoon. Cruise persuades them to follow him on a suicide mission to Paris. Go or not go, they know they die at dawn. So they go.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.

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One of the prime examples of why I don't visit RWED, and I'm getting gorram tired of you and others bringing your petty bitchiness into the other forums where it does not belong.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.

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Unfortunately, it is no longer in my local theaters. But I agree with this at this point.


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Although Mal4prez has gone off the deep end, one point was brought up, and I wonder if any others consider it valid.
When the Angel of Verdun goes through the couple thousand versions where only Cage has the experience, and she can only trust what he says, we see her reaction much of the time. When she hears it for the final time, at the end, we don't see it. Will it be a different reaction, merely because the end has come, they have victory, there is no battle or combat or death before them, where all prior versions (which we saw) the promise of death and potential extinction prevailed?
I have not yet wrapped around this entirely. I had not thought it would be different, and the reaction would be much the same as each other time we saw. But do any of you think it would have been different at the end? Not that she would not believe it, but would she have a different sense of it?

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“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”

That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!

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You know, Mal4Prez, although I heard this speech by the Sgt. Farrell over and over again, until I read them just now, it never really registered with me in quite the same way. I mean, I knew it was key, but it is the driving theme of Cage's journey. Combat did test his metal and forged a new being - in other words - baptism by fire. He never really saw the big picture, not until he saw the destruction first hand and the consequences of his actions and non-actions.

Each time he dies, he's reborn with a new outlook; a reset on how his decisions affect those around him.


SGG

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Here, here!

Discuss, disagree, pontificate......................but please leave bitchiness at the door, we already gave at the office.

"Now, gentlemen, go to your corners and come out fighting. Marquess of Queensbury Rules are to be observed at all times. I thank you!"
(spoken with a Irish Brogue a la Barry Fitzgerald)


SGG

quote]Originally posted by ecgordon:

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Any lurkers here who aren't familiar with JSF and me from the RWED forums, my apologies. This is too much petty bitchiness for a "Cinema" thread, but follow RWED for a bit and you'll see where it comes from.

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One of the prime examples of why I don't visit RWED, and I'm getting gorram tired of you and others bringing your petty bitchiness into the other forums where it does not belong.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).

T'was better the second time around.

SGG

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Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? It hought that was explained well.

You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?

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When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.

In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).


SGG

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First of all, sorry i took so long in responding.

The hero's truth or reversal: the moment when he sees his purpose, goal or mission. When he, or she, discovers the heart of the matter.

In Rain Man: Cruise's character is angry that his father left him nothing and the fortune was inherited by his older brother Ray (Hoffman's brilliant autistic performance). Cruise, again, was a selfish SOB who didn't deserve the inheritance (he obsessed to the point of distraction)

There is a scene about half way through the movie when, after traveling on the road for some time, they stop at a motel and during a emotional moment for his brother Ray, Cruise's character discovers that Raymond was "Rain Man" who loved and protected his younger brother (He couldn't pronounce his name well).

He was so young that he barely remembered, but remember he did. His connection to his older brother Rain Man was strong as a kid, one which his parents took away from him at an early age. In that moment you could see his transformation (Cruise is good at that).

In EoT, that moment of clarity comes at the bridge in London, the one he was crossing on his motorcycle. He stops to look down into the river and he sees the Mimics scurrying through the water - they had reached London. It is at that moment that he sees his truth. He's got to put on his game face and get trained properly or else. I believe it's the moment he decides to go it alone, without Rita.

My quibble with the aliens was minor on my first viewing, but here it goes - I thought they looked cheesy. There, that's it. Second time around I got a much better screen.


SGG

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.

So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?

Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...

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What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?

Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.

As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.

So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.

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So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.

Tom... Well, actually, he was quite good. I don't think he's too old at all. It fit the plot that the character had to be an untrained noob, but smart and of high rank, and his history as an adman was funny and fit well. It totally worked in terms of him being so dislikable at first, so I could get over how much I don't like the actor. I like to think that wasn't an accident. The writers knew.

But I don't see much else as a plot adjustment made just so they could cast Tom. The age thing, I mean. It was basic to the story that he had to be a dork with absolutely no combat training to start. How else could that be true of a g

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