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Serenity: Leaves on the Wind #6 **(SPOILERS!)**
POSTED BY: MUTT999
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 01:19
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Wednesday, July 9, 2014 12:12 AM
Quote:The comic left Serenity in a very bad place where the Alliance knows too much about the crew, except their coordinates at the moment, and the crew know nothing about who will be after them next comic. The Alliance has too much advantage over the crew and too much motivation to exterminate them. David versus Goliath had it easier than Serenity vs Alliance because there was only one man, Goliath, to slay.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Ultimately I'm not sure what you were expecting, these are comics based off a 12 year old sci fi tv show, which itself never had perfect writing but was entirely enjoyable. It's not going to be Shakespeare. The caliber of writing (and art) here isn't that different from Those Left Behind. Maybe you just don't like comics as a medium for these stories.
In the next comics, the crew must depend upon the Alliance squandering the advantage and acting incompetently. It is not much fun to read a comic that depend on the Alliance's blunders, accidents, confusion, and poor planning, but those qualities will have to save Serenity next time.
If only the Alliance could lose all its paperwork on Serenity. Then the crew could go back to being ignored, mostly, like the TV show.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Sunday, July 13, 2014 10:51 PM
Quote:It is actually "Damn the torpedoes, Full speed ahead!" The comic is not going full speed ahead. I think all engines have stopped. A little history:
Originally posted by G:
Damn, pick pick pick!
Fans are the worst critics I guess. . . . Damn the Torpedos!
Aboard Hartford, Admiral Farragut entered Mobile Bay, Alabama, 5 August 1864, in two columns, with armored monitors leading and a fleet of wooden ships following. When the lead monitor Tecumseh was demolished by a torpedo, the wooden ship Brooklyn stopped, and the line drifted in confusion toward Fort Morgan. As disaster seemed imminent, Farragut gave the orders embodied by these famous words. "Damn the torpedoes, Full speed ahead!" – www.history.navy.mil/trivia/trivia02.htm
The comic is adrift. Dark Horse has not ordered a new series. Where is Admiral Farragut? He needs to issue an order . . . for Serenity comics!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Sunday, July 13, 2014 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by G:
Damn, pick pick pick!
Fans are the worst critics I guess.
They really are.
As time goes on with no new television episodes and the original Firefly episodes are looked at with more and more nostalgia, it will become that much harder for any new story in the verse to compete with what came before.
Fan satisfaction will continue to decrease, until the point where we will have people denouncing new material as garbage before they've even seen it.
I've watched this happen in other fandoms, and I have no doubt where we're heading. As this trend continues I'd recommend avoiding arguments with the more hard core and serious fans. They are the more likely to become angry and disillusioned.
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The comics have a built in hurdle, what with us really really wanting a tv show. I was entertained, enjoy the new directions (even though it's hard to give up the old), and pray we get more.
Thank you Zack Whedon (and Joss) and all the artists who contributed to a fine Firefly story, looking forward to many more. Damn the Torpedos!
The comic had a bit much going on, but very little was left unaddressed or unresolved, and there was a teaser for future stories. It was enjoyable, despite any flaws it had, and as such is a win in my book.
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Monday, July 14, 2014 12:10 AM
Quote:I say it is a win, too, if the hard cover Serenity comic sells well enough in November that Dark Horse orders another series of comics.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
It was enjoyable, despite any flaws it had, and as such is a win in my book.
Preorder that comic. The future of Serenity depends upon it. www.tfaw.com/Profile/Serenity%3A-Leaves-On-The-Wind-HC___457868
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:57 PM
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Originally posted by second:
Preorder that xxxx.The future of Serenity depends upon it.
Yeah, we've all heard that before. How many times now?
That said, I skipped buying the individual issues because I knew the compilation would be coming.
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Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:51 PM
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Damn, pick pick pick!
Fans are the worst critics I guess.
They really are.
As time goes on with no new television episodes and the original Firefly episodes are looked at with more and more nostalgia, it will become that much harder for any new story in the verse to compete with what came before.
Fan satisfaction will continue to decrease, until the point where we will have people denouncing new material as garbage before they've even seen it.
No, see, that's not how it works. That, in fact, is the exact opposite of how it works. Supply and demand. As less becomes available, it becomes more valuable, and viewed with a LESS jaded eye.
True, the fanbase may shrink over time, but the standards get LOWER.
My disillusionment with this particular arc isn't as a fan, but as a professional editor and writer. I expect a certain level of quality for my money, and I didn't get it. Nowhere close to it.
Now, that didn't stop me from getting every issue (multiple copies in some cases) -- again, the scarcity increasing value thing -- nor will it prevent me from buying at least one copy of the bound edition (possibly multiples to give away as gifts), because I want to support the franchise. But none of that changes the empirically weak writing of the series, and please don't try to paint me as some sort of angry fanboy for being disappointed that this story is not of the caliber I expect from this franchise.
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Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:44 PM
Quote:You're making me sound like a fool! To be worldly wise, you need be more cynical about the comic book industry. The more money Dark Horse makes on Serenity, the sooner new issues will be published. Make too little money and there might never be more Serenity. The same goes for the TV show and movie. That is the cold equations of the entertainment industry.
Originally posted by Moose:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Preorder that xxxx.The future of Serenity depends upon it.
Yeah, we've all heard that before. How many times now?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:19 AM
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I'm not sure what you were expecting, these are comics
Hi! Your assertion that for some reason expectations should be lowered because "comics" is way out of line.
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Wednesday, July 16, 2014 1:19 AM
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Originally posted by GWEK:
No, see, that's not how it works. That, in fact, is the exact opposite of how it works. Supply and demand. As less becomes available, it becomes more valuable, and viewed with a LESS jaded eye.
True, the fanbase may shrink over time, but the standards get LOWER.
My disillusionment with this particular arc isn't as a fan, but as a professional editor and writer. I expect a certain level of quality for my money, and I didn't get it. Nowhere close to it.
Now, that didn't stop me from getting every issue (multiple copies in some cases) -- again, the scarcity increasing value thing -- nor will it prevent me from buying at least one copy of the bound edition (possibly multiples to give away as gifts), because I want to support the franchise. But none of that changes the empirically weak writing of the series, and please don't try to paint me as some sort of angry fanboy for being disappointed that this story is not of the caliber I expect from this franchise.
Did you expect a higher level of quality from the Firefly episodes? Because Atherton Wing and Rance Burgess are really well written villains with a strong storyline around them. /not
It's exactly what it is and how it works. Every time new Firefly comics come out everyone gets hyped and wonders if it'll recapture the magic, then they're disappointed when they don't think the new material will save the series. Then they buy lots of it because maybe they think the sales numbers will send a message. The comics aren't SUPPOSED to save the series or ignite new interest, they're supposed to tell stories to the existing fans.
My opinion of the Firefly series was that it was flawed but enjoyable, my opinion of these comics is that they're flawed but enjoyable, as such from my perspective I don't see a drop in quality.
And I'm not saying that just because I'm not as DISCERNING as you and because I lack professional writing experience. I'm not so desperate for anything new that I'll eat up garbage if they'll shovel it out. I've never done that for any comic, video game, or series I normally enjoy. I always research first and determine whether it suits my interests. I can spot something that's dead on arrival and not worth buying from a mile away.
Rushed as the comics were, flawed as the execution was, they contained interesting concepts and were entertaining. I've seen far worse missteps from writing and much, much worse low quality cash cow milking than that.
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