Meawhile, back in Ukraine: Russia Halts Gas Supplies

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THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:24 AM

Just pointing out the obvious precious, just pointing out the obvious.

si shen

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:29 AM

Burden of proof
Onus probandi

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

KPO

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:31 AM

Ukraine is pretty dependent on Russian gas imports, so Russia can charge whatever it likes. It charges very generous rates when there is a government in Kiev that it likes, and then hikes them massively when there is a government in Kiev it doesn't like.

It's their gas, they're entirely within their rights to do it. But no amount of bribery or extortion is going to put a pro-Russian government back in Kiev any time soon.

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:31 AM

Yes 1kiki thank you for providing it. I thought I said thank you. In my excitement I must have forgotten.

si shen

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 12:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Ukraine is pretty dependent on Russian gas imports, so Russia can charge whatever it likes. It charges very generous rates when there is a government in Kiev that it likes, and then hikes them massively when there is a government in Kiev it doesn't like.

It's their gas, they're entirely within their rights to do it. But no amount of bribery or extortion is going to put a pro-Russian government back in Kiev any time soon.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Russia is dependent on Crimea so the Ukraine can charge what ever it likes in rents if Russia wants to stay there. It's part of the Ukraine and since there is a government in Russia it does not like it should hike its rates massively.

See how that works?

si shen

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:15 AM

Ukrainians have a proven history of being able to find alternative sources of heat and energy. As long as there are synagogues to set ablaze and Gypsy wagons to burn, they'll be fine during the cold Winter months.

Oh, and they can render fat like you wouldn't believe!

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM

Judging by the costumes of those participating in the burning it was about the late 1800's or so you speak of. If you are speaking to something more current it might help to include all the other nationalities involved in the cleansing. You know to provide a prospective to what was going on at the time.

si shen

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:40 AM

Maybe this will help?

1933-1934 Artificial Famine in Ukraine, caused by Stalin's policy. At least three million people die in result.
1939-1940 Annexation of Western Ukraine by Soviet Union according to a secret treaty with Nazi Germany.
1941-1944 German occupation of Ukraine. Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA). SS Division
Ukraine during WW2
1943-1944 Russians return. Massive immigration to the west (England, France, Canada, USA.)
(Ukrainians in Saskatchewan, Canada)
1945-1947 Discrimination and murders of Ukrainian population in Poland by Polish army and police.
1945-1955 Continued fight for liberation of Ukraine in the western regions.
1950's Illegal anti-communist literature begins to appear.
1986 Nuclear reactor explosion in Chernobyl, Ukraine.
1980's National movement for the liberation of Ukraine "Rukh" is formed.
1990 Human chain protests for Ukrainian independence.
1990 Ukrainian sovereignty is proclaimed.
1991 Ukrainian independence is proclaimed. Elections of Parliament (Verkhovna Rada) and the President Leonid Kravchuk.
1994 Ukraine signs a treaty with NATO
1996 Constitution is proclaimed

Crazy times eh?

si shen

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:53 AM

"Ukraine is pretty dependent on Russian gas imports, so Russia can charge whatever it likes. It charges very generous rates when there is a government in Kiev that it likes, and then hikes them massively when there is a government in Kiev it doesn't like."

FWIW it was a negotiated price that included the discount for Crimea, and was ratified by both countries. It's hard to say that it was forced on the Ukraine and that they got no consideration in return.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Ukraine is pretty dependent on Russian gas imports, so Russia can charge whatever it likes. It charges very generous rates when there is a government in Kiev that it likes, and then hikes them massively when there is a government in Kiev it doesn't like."

FWIW it was a negotiated price that included the discount for Crimea, and was ratified by both countries. It's hard to say that it was forced on the Ukraine and that they got no consideration in return.

My mistake, I thought we were speaking about what is going on today, currently not months ago before they kicked out their Russia patsy of a leader and then were invaded by Russia. You know the new deal they are negotiating.

si shen

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