Obama the blowhard
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 17:34
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I see you couldn't address either the facts or the logic of the argument and had to turn to an attack on the person - a personal attack is what is meant by ad homiem.
goodbye then
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I see you couldn't address either the facts or the logic of the argument and had to turn to an attack on the person - a personal attack is what is meant by ad homiem.
goodbye then
Definition of AD HOMINEM
: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
My statement is ad hominem and fallacious in suggesting that you and signym are the same. Unless it is accurate to say your views are mirror images of each other’s. Further, if I am correct in my analysis you are also inaccurate in your assertion that I answered you with an insult rather than with intellect.
si shen
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So, given the lack of countervailing facts and/ or logic, the proposals regarding imperialism in the US still stand.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, given the lack of countervailing facts and/ or logic, the proposals regarding imperialism in the US still stand.
Yes, in your mind, and always will exist there. In the real world however it is a different matter. You and signym are subjective in your approach to selling us on your point of view.
Subjective is a statement that has been colored by the character of the speaker or writer. It often has a basis in reality, but reflects the perspective through which the speaker views reality. It cannot be verified using concrete facts and figures.
In stories, newspapers, and the spoken word, people all over the world are trying to convince you to think as they do. They are bombarding you with facts and figures, opinions and projections. It is up to you to create order within this chaos and find the patterns that will help you to understand what is true, what could be true, and what is outright false. In order to do all this, you need to have a firm grip on what is objective and what is subjective.
I look at what you say objectively and then make my views on your thoughts available to you. What I continue to find is no basses in fact for most of what you claim.
Objective is a statement that is completely unbiased. It is not touched by the speaker’s previous experiences or tastes. It is verifiable by looking up facts or performing mathematical calculations. I do this as best I can.
si shen
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And yet, despite the volume of historical facts signym brings up, you have failed to bring up any that either disprove her argument or prove yours. In fact, you keep referring to who we are and what you think we're like rather than bring up either on-topic facts or logic, or preferably both, to make your case. The person who consistently fails to bring up facts in relation to the topic at hand, and instead resorts to subjective arguments - ad hominems in fact - is you.
And here - you are doing yet more of the same.
The arguments about imperialism in US history - still stand.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yet, despite the volume of historical facts signym brings up, you have failed to bring up any that either disprove her argument or prove yours. In fact, you keep referring to who we are and what you think we're like rather than bring up either on-topic facts or logic, or preferably both, to make your case. The person who consistently fails to bring up facts in relation to the topic at hand, and instead resorts to subjective arguments - ad hominems in fact - is you.
And here - you are doing yet more of the same.
The arguments about imperialism in US history - still stand.
I am satisfied with the responses I have made to the positions you signym and you 1ikiki hold on this thread. I am confident I have shown you come from a colored (biased) perspective, with unsubstantiated claims. Further, that your styles are to bombard us with facts, figures, opinions and projections to confuse fact with fiction. Your goal, to discourage us from investigating and challenging your assertions. None of what you claim that I looked into substantiates what you suggest. That is my quarrel in response to your posts here.
I’ll leave it at that.
si shen
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Quote:Give it up. Sockpuppets can be fun to play with, but don't get into a serious discussion with one, or THIS happens.^
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yet, despite the volume of historical facts signym brings up, you have failed to bring up any that either disprove her argument or prove yours.
Just sayin', kik.
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Right on time sock puppet two. 1kiki was about done in. So...predictable. Well, not this time.
Talk to the hand..... Precious
si shen
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Chris,isall
That's OK. The key I've found to being able to tell the experienced sockpuppet troll from the naive clumsy newbie is how quickly they bring out the finely honed sockpuppet tools. Yanno - selective agreement and approval to try and separate people they think are 'aligned', attempting to derail an argument into an unrelated of-topic series of attacks and defenses with repeated ad hominems, repeated assertions with no facts or discussion, etc. I just think it's sometimes interesting to watch.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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