Obama the blowhard

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 17:34
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MIKER left and took all of his comments with him?

Well, I hope he learned something,

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MIKER left and took all of his comments with him?

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How.... interesting.

Bye bye KIRKULES, I'd say it was nice to see you again, if, yanno, it was.

So now we know, cause I recall him doing exactly the same thing when he stormed out in a huff...

-F

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Well, I prolly wouldn't insist in Geezer answering the question as to whether or when he would marry his long-term partner. It's really his business, not mine.


The problem with answering that question is, if I pick an English-speaking nation - perhaps one of the commonwealth nations- you'd say that I didn't really believe in what I was saying. If I mentioned a few socialist nations, you say AHA! I knew all along you were a hater of America! Suffice it to say that we looked at a number of smaller nations, some English-speaking and some not. I think I would be OK with living here to the end of my days, yanno- fighting the good fight- but I'm really afraid for our daughter. As a nation and as a culture, I think the USA has lost its way. We've raced headlong into being a brutal, hyper-militarized, over-surveilled free-for-all, where anything is tolerated except resistance to the corporate state.

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FREM

MIKER = Kirkules, eh?

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Here's an interesting question (maybe). Given all the anger at those who disapprove of America's actions, would anyone like to note any nation which was rich and powerful enough to do so, and which had a mighty military, which HASN'T behaved in pretty much the same manner as America has?

It's certainly easy enough to mention MANY nations who, at the peak of their power, behaved worse than America...but have any behaved better?

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Here's an interesting question (maybe). Given all the anger at those who disapprove of America's actions, would anyone like to note any nation which was rich and powerful enough to do so, and which had a mighty military, which HASN'T behaved in pretty much the same manner as America has?

It's certainly easy enough to mention MANY nations who, at the peak of their power, behaved worse than America... but have any behaved better?

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" if the USA doesn't lead, someone else will. "

Kinda the mission statement for PNAC folks, ain't it ?

I for one strongly believe others would act worse. Much worse.

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I don't want my personal situation to be a factor in what I consider the larger argument of USA hegemony and militarism.

Yes, we looked at the Scandinavian countries, also Iceland, Costa Rica, New Zealand, and others. But it doesn't matter WHICH country we might prefer, they all have pretty much the same immigration policies. Those policies would deem us too old and with too much medical baggage- including our disabled daughter- to be a welcome addition to their economy.

I get it, I really do. Why would any nation want people who have no possibility of future contribution to the society? Nations with generous health and social benefits would soon be overwhelmed by dependents. It's only the USA that expects to be an endless sink for emigrants.

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Here's an interesting question (maybe). Given all the anger at those who disapprove of America's actions, would anyone like to note any nation which was rich and powerful enough to do so, and which had a mighty military, which HASN'T behaved in pretty much the same manner as America has?

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Currently? China, Russia, India, Germany, Japan.... in fact, nearly everybody.

China - even though it has an economy nearly as large as the USA (by some measures larger) it has ONE military base outside of its borders, in India, opened in 2011.

The former Soviet Union, even though it had a large economy and military, in most places that it colonized it opened schools, medical clinics, and built roads. Living standards went UP for the average person. In contrast, the USA puts in banks and military installations, and the living standards of the average person DROPS.

The current Russia, which has about 10 military bases/installations outside of its borders, compared to the USA's 800.

India, a billion+ people, and altho poverty-stricken could field a considerable army if it so chose.

The answer to your question, NIKI, is right in Obama's speech. But perhaps you didn't catch all of the implications of what he said.

If everyone were 'as bad as' the USA, they would be fielding a foreign military 'as large as' the USA, or at least proportionate to their economies. THEY DON'T. The USA military is LARGER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. The USA economy? Not so much! That shows a strongly disproportionate commitment to militarily dominating the rest of the world.

It's demonstrated by simple arithmetic. Liberals! Sheesh![/snark]

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I agree with everything you said Siggs....

GWB was the former propagator of such.

Somehow, I'm the unreasonable one because I drink....

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I used to get a flinch reaction every time GWB spoke, and quite frankly I've gotten to the same point with Obama. Here is the transcript of his speech at West Point.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/28/transcript-video-obama-lays-out-f
oreign-policy-west-point-commencement-speech

I couldn't help but notice the wandering hypocrisy, like he had lost the thread of his own propaganda ...

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In fact, by most measures America has rarely been stronger relative to the rest of the world. Those who argue otherwise — who suggest that America is in decline or has seen its global leadership slip away — are either misreading history or engaged in partisan politics. Think about it. Our military has no peer.

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Yep, we spend more on our military than the rest of the world COMBINED. Nobody else - not even Russia!- has bases ALL OVER the world!

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America continues to attract striving immigrants.

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Oh, that was STRIVING? I thought that was STARVING.

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Russia’s aggression towards former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe

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Yeah, because Russia has troops, bases, and missiles all over Europe. (not) And yet, somehow, Russia is the aggressor.

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From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums.

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Yes, god help us if other governments have a greater say!

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The question we face, the question each of you will face, is not whether America will lead but how we will lead

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Because, yanno, whatever we decide is right for the world is right for the world.

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not just to secure our peace and prosperity but also extend peace and prosperity around the globe.

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HAHAHAHA! We've been blowing this smoke for 70 years or more. Replaced 50 governments. Somehow, we still haven't gotten this right!

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Today, according to self-described realists, conflicts in Syria or Ukraine or the Central African Republic are not ours to solve.

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In particular, they're not ours to start.

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Here’s my bottom line: America must always lead on the world stage. If we don’t, no one else will. The military ... is, and always will be, the backbone of that leadership.

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Again, we have the right to determine what's right for the rest of the world? And if they don't agree, we turn on the force?

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This weekend, Ukrainians voted by the millions. Yesterday, I spoke to their next president. We don’t know how the situation will play out, and there will remain grave challenges ahead, but standing with our allies on behalf of international order, working with international institutions, has given a chance for the Ukrainian people to choose their future — without us firing a shot.

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The Ukrainians did that for us, thanks to pressure from that organ of American dominance- the IMF.

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... a third aspect of American leadership, and that is our effort to strengthen and enforce international order. After World War II, America had the wisdom to shape institutions to keep the peace and support human progress, from NATO and the United Nations, to the World Bank and I.M.F. These institutions are not perfect, but they have been a force multiplier. They reducing the need for unilateral American action and increase restraint among other nations.

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In other words, these institutions have been the United States' tools of foreign and economic domination.

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I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.

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Yep, I kinda noticed that...

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we’re putting in place new restrictions on how America collects and uses intelligence, because we will have fewer partners and be less effective if a perception takes hold that we’re

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