Obama the blowhard
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 17:34
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by MIKER:
it appears to come from a deep seeded hatred of this country.
Sorry MIKER, this was the last nail here, whether intentional or not, I'm not discussing junk with you again here.
Yes, I AM a grammar Nazi. To this extent, anyway.
You are no grammar Nazi. If you were you would not have been able to read more than a couple posts from him since he started. If you want to claim spelling Nazi, that might be more appropo.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And you still haven't answered my questions.
Nor have you answered mine.
@ Jongs - I saw that. I had hoped it was some spoof, or interwebs hoax. Apparently, not.
That has to be the pussiest work out - EVER. I've seen chicks pump more iron than that in the gym. Do Malia and Sasha know daddy has their play weights ?
Hannity has had the link up for a while, how did you miss it?
Somebody should sue him for not wearing his tricycle helmet and setting a bad and unsafe example.
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Ahem. I really don't like being misrepresented. What I in fact noted was that these events were based on reality.
So, I have to ask - does the question 'who started it' mean anything in your opinion of right and wrong? Because if I can show the US 'started it' without provocation, I would think it means the US was wrong. Would you? Similarly, if I can show the US took something that wasn't theirs, would that prove the US in the wrong to you?
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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MIKER
Your first concern us that I'm "one sided?"
Huh, because that's exactly my problem with you! In your opinion, apparently, the USA does NOTHING wrong.
Or maybe what you want to hear is how we were 'forced' into all of those heinous acts by circumstances... they were going to go 'communist', they were a source of drugs, they were a source of terrorism. They made us do it. "He started it"
Okay, yanno what? My answer to that is "whatever". I'll even concede that point for the moment ('Why' we did what we did, in historical context) to get to the point I was trying to discuss, which is
No matter WHAT the reason for us invading or destabilizing/ replacing governments, once we were in charge of that nation's future (thru whoever we put in charge) we could have made those nations BETTER than before. Instead, what happened in nearly all cases, they became WORSE: poorer, more violent, less educated, less healthy, less democratic, producing more drugs. Geezer himself even posted an example, right here! http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58154
All under our aegis.
Now, we're either really, REALLY bad at managing our conquests, or white man's burden/ anticommunism/ war on drugs/ democratization/ war on terror/ R2P/ spreading peace and prosperity/ (fill in the blank here) was never really the reason we took over those nations to begin with.
Also,
Quote:You feel a lot of things, MIKER, that's clear, but that's a feeling based on a belief.
That is not the world so judging it from that perspective [utopia] is not helpful. I look at it like a bell curve and where do we as a nation sit on that curve. I feel
Quote:Wow, I "get to" make comments? Do you mean that you think freedom of speech is outrageous? Yanno what? If you think my comments are outrageous, you should read one of those links, back to what GINO used to say.
this is a more responsible and accurate way of judging events. I find it outrageous Signym gets to make comments like
Quote:Of course there is. It's the same process by which historians say "Approximately six million Jews were killed by Hitler", or "Mao's policies starved at least 20 million people". I started with a list of US "interventions", found the historically-accepted death estimates (killed by weapons) and added them up. It's probably a conservative estimate because it doesn't include death by disease or starvation.
Those kind of statements are the norm for Signym. There is absolutely no way to verify any of that, much less all of it.
I urge you to do the same thing. You don't have to be hostage to my figures.
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Quote:I'm black and white about Ukraine??? I'm to one who has been consistently saying that Ukraine is a divided nation, that opinions on whether to join the EU, join even more closely with Russia, or stay in the middle are all over the spectrum. That a significant minority (30-35%) of the people did NOT want to join the EU trade region, particularly with the IMF's austerity as part of the package. That some of them are pro-western liberals but some of them are fascists.
Answer: His analysis was of you and your approach to many topics, but specifically to Ukraine. It does seem a might [sic] black and white. Considering there are humans with a great deal of emotion and sell-interest on both sides, and how the only land grabbing that has happened so far has been by Russia, it's hard to believe any assessment that is so one sided.
As far as land-grabs, you are once again seeing everything only from the western perspective. Ukraine as part of the EU trade bloc seems only right and natural to you, not at all a land-grab by the west. From the other side of the border, however, this was a threat to Russia's naval base and an area for NATO expansion- it was definitely a western land-grab. Which it was- fostered by the EU and the USA, provided political cover, money, and now military weapons and merc/ CIA/FBI support. Crimea voted itself out. It was a vote taken under the eye of western observers and in all probability reflects the will of the people.
In reality, there is only one side.
But real life calls.
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Quote:You ARE one sided, Signy.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your first concern us that I'm "one sided?"
The WRONG side. The side of TRUTH.
This is unacceptable. You need to pick a team, and BACK IT UP no matter what. That's how the game is played. You can't roam around the buffet table picking out truth here & truth there as it pleases you, you have to accept the WHOLE menu from a single chosen restaurant monopoly!
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You can read the list. You can research anything on it you are not already aware of. You can cry like a baby. You can whine like a child.
All this is within the scope of your abilities.
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