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Jayne is family/crew [according to Mal's definition].
Jayne is more than 'just a thug'.
Family/crew who leaves when the money dries up.
*shrug*
I mean yeah there's a connection, maybe even some affection, stronger than either Jayne or the crew would admit, but Jayne's a mercenary and thug first.
Nothing against him. People do need to make a living. But I've never seen Jayne let warm fuzzies get in the way of any job.
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Sometimes I think that Jayne was just throw for a loop when Mal agreed with him right after chatting with Badger. Put him off his game.
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Why in Serenity when the Alliance mole offered Jayne the reward did Jayne not turn on the captain? He was offered enough to get his own ship; a nice ship. So why did he not take it?
Jayne looks after Jayne's interest. He's not dumb, he has street smarts. He is uneducated and ignorant, but not stupid. I think what it comes down to is that he decided it was not in his best interest to turn on Mal at that point. Dobson said he'd give him money, enough to buy his own ship. But Dobson had done nothing to impress Jayne with his abilities at that stage, had no track record with Jayne of making good on his promises, and Mal, on the other hand, had. After all, when Mal first met Jayne, he turned around a situation in which he was held at gunpoint, and made good on his promises -- bunk to himself, no sad seven, and all that. Jayne already knows that Mal could, and would, turn him away, hurt him, or kill him, if he thought it necessary. (He'd already shut Jayne down and made him leave the table, with little more than a look, earlier in the episode.) My conclusion is that Jayne was unwilling to accept Dobson's vague promises of money and put himself in the hands of a Fed -- why would he want to put himself in the hands of the Feds? It wasn't a better deal than sticking with Mal, doing the job that Mal was doing, and getting paid his share for that job.
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I think that all of that probably does apply EB, but I think Jayne was also kinda hedging his bets what with sneaking something to Dobson to cut his bindings. That way he had plausible deniability in case it didn't work out.
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I think that all of that probably does apply EB, but I think Jayne was also kinda hedging his bets what with sneaking something to Dobson to cut his bindings. That way he had plausible deniability in case it didn't work out.
I seem to remember Jayne's face showing an intense look of interest when asking the Fed agent, "How Much" in the pilot Serenity.
But then the Fed went overboard, promising the universe, and Jayne seemed to scoff and not take him seriously - Jayne seemed to not take him seriously through much of their interchange. Do you think Jayne honestly conjured the Fed was being truthful, trustworthy?
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Risk Reward. To figure that out you'd have to know what Jayne's values are. And I for one don't want to know what he's thinking...
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Originally posted by MIKER:
Why in Serenity when the Alliance mole offered Jayne the reward did Jayne not turn on the captain? He was offered enough to get his own ship; a nice ship. So why did he not take it?
Jayne looks after Jayne's interest. He's not dumb, he has street smarts. He is uneducated and ignorant, but not stupid. I think what it comes down to is that he decided it was not in his best interest to turn on Mal at that point. Dobson said he'd give him money, enough to buy his own ship. But Dobson had done nothing to impress Jayne with his abilities at that stage, had no track record with Jayne of making good on his promises, and Mal, on the other hand, had. After all, when Mal first met Jayne, he turned around a situation in which he was held at gunpoint, and made good on his promises -- bunk to himself, no sad seven, and all that. Jayne already knows that Mal could, and would, turn him away, hurt him, or kill him, if he thought it necessary. (He'd already shut Jayne down and made him leave the table, with little more than a look, earlier in the episode.) My conclusion is that Jayne was unwilling to accept Dobson's vague promises of money and put himself in the hands of a Fed -- why would he want to put himself in the hands of the Feds? It wasn't a better deal than sticking with Mal, doing the job that Mal was doing, and getting paid his share for that job.
Exactly how I see it.
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