Serenity: Leaves on the Wind #3 Discussion (SPOILERS)
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You saying a woman can't be stealthy and hit a man who has just been distracted by tea over the head witha wrench? Wow, do you have a low opinion of women... P.S. I've got a whole drawer of my own damn wrenches if y'all wanna test that theory 
Also, I'd imagine there ain't a whole lotta places in the 'verse that offer the kind of solitude a man that just realized he'd been killing the wrong people his ENTIRE career could offer. Sure it's a stretch, but we know by now Mal's got some mad skills up his sleeve. If it was book form or movie form, I'm sure we'd get a long winded explanation, and we may still yet, but not a whole lotta time in 20 pages of comic....
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
You saying a woman can't be stealthy and hit a man who has just been distracted by tea over the head witha wrench? Wow, do you have a low opinion of women... P.S. I've got a whole drawer of my own damn wrenches if y'all wanna test that theory
Also, I'd imagine there ain't a whole lotta places in the 'verse that offer the kind of solitude a man that just realized he'd been killing the wrong people his ENTIRE career could offer. Sure it's a stretch, but we know by now Mal's got some mad skills up his sleeve. If it was book form or movie form, I'm sure we'd get a long winded explanation, and we may still yet, but not a whole lotta time in 20 pages of comic....
No. I'm not saying a women can't stealthy and hit a man with a wrench. It has nothing to do with Kaylee being a women. It has to do with Kaylee being Kaylee and Early being whom he is. Had it been Zoe or River, or even perhaps Inara it would have been believable. Not so much with Kaylee. More so when we has seen that Early apparently has the skills to take out large numbers of people at will. Plus if you go back you will see that Early was not distracted by a cup of tea.
The scene with Early in the chair afterwords does not suit Kaylee either.
Now perhaps we will get an explanation on how Mal knew were the Operative was in the next chapter. If does not have to be but a few lines. Having limited pages is not an excuse for piss poor writing.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Quote:Zack Whedon has been building up Jubal Early as the super bad-ass for 3 issues. Somebody will untie him from that chair in the next 3 issues or else having Early in the story was just a waste of paper. Since Jubal destroyed a ship, killing all but two of the crew, Mal should slaughter Early. Not killing Early is out of character for Mal. Remember Mal kicking somebody into Serenity's engine?
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The scene with Early in the chair afterwords does not suit Kaylee either.
Maybe Mal has a job for Early? Mal will untie Early.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
You saying a woman can't be stealthy and hit a man who has just been distracted by tea over the head witha wrench? Wow, do you have a low opinion of women... P.S. I've got a whole drawer of my own damn wrenches if y'all wanna test that theory
Also, I'd imagine there ain't a whole lotta places in the 'verse that offer the kind of solitude a man that just realized he'd been killing the wrong people his ENTIRE career could offer. Sure it's a stretch, but we know by now Mal's got some mad skills up his sleeve. If it was book form or movie form, I'm sure we'd get a long winded explanation, and we may still yet, but not a whole lotta time in 20 pages of comic....
No. I'm not saying a women can't stealthy and hit a man with a wrench. It has nothing to do with Kaylee being a women. It has to do with Kaylee being Kaylee and Early being whom he is. Had it been Zoe or River, or even perhaps Inara it would have been believable. Not so much with Kaylee. More so when we has seen that Early apparently has the skills to take out large numbers of people at will. Plus if you go back you will see that Early was not distracted by a cup of tea.
The scene with Early in the chair afterwords does not suit Kaylee either.
Now perhaps we will get an explanation on how Mal knew were the Operative was in the next chapter. If does not have to be but a few lines. Having limited pages is not an excuse for piss poor writing.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
I agree with all this. Zack Whedon is not Joss Whedon, and that's too bad. I'll admit that he has many of the character voices down, but I think he's missed out on the essence of who the characters are.
In a sense, I would say that Zack is giving the audience what they WANT rather than what they NEED (the exact inverse of what makes brother Joss so brilliant). Jubal Early as the equivalent of Expanded Universe Boba Fett, who kills a dozen men without pause and then sits down for sushi. Rough-and-tumble Kaylee dishing out some frontier justice. The ridiculousness of Kaylee/Simon and Mal/Inara doing nothing but sexing up for nine months straight. Mal buddying up to the Operative. Heck, just the fact that Jubal and the Operative are in the same issue of a comic book...
It's all in good fun, but it's all UNEARNED, and that smacks of bad writing. One or two jumps would be okay, but there are SO many. It feels more like warmed-over fanfic than a good episode of FIREFLY. It's still fun, it's just not well-written fun.
Perhaps we should count our blessings and just be glad that Zoe's cell-mate didn't turn out to be Saffron.
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Originally posted by GWEK:
I thought we got to see an interesting side of Jayne, although it was borderline out-of-character.
Myself, I think Zack Whedon's doing something interesting here. Jayne's had a minor epiphany, one that's forced him to acknowledge that he's just not all that bright, something he's never admitted before. And he's starting to review his actions in light of that new self-knowledge.
I think he actually thought he was doing good, or at least doing no harm, in bringing the New Resistance folk into contact with Mal. "Hey' they're against the Alliance; Mal ain't never stopped being a Browncoat--he just might be grateful for this, and I can pick up some good cash in the process, it's a win-win!"
Except his confrontation with Mal in #2 pointed out exactly how gorram stupidthis was, with the destruction of the NR ship as shining proof of the point. Jayne is feeling something he's only rarely experienced before: Shame. We've seen this side of him before, at the endings of "Jaynestown" and "Ariel", but it's never stuck. This time it just might.
As for Jubal Early, he's been presented as he was in his first appearance: A frighteningly competent hunter, with a major Achilles heel in that he seems to always underestimate his opponents. Mal's probably keeping him alive as a potential source of information, but I don't rate his long-term survival prospects very high after that, although I doubt Simon or Kaylee would stand for cold-blooded murder without protest.
On the broader scope of the story, I really like the way the plot is developing. The reaction(s) of the 'Verse to the Miranda broadwave are believably scattershot, with some nicely satirical echos of real-world controversies. I particularly like Bea's somewhat exaggerated opinion of Mal's abilities. "He's the greatest military mind alive..." Huh? He's an excellent and flexible on-the-run tactician, and a decent strategist, but he's no Patton or Rommel. On the other hand, he is (to public perception/legend at least), the man who held Serenity Valley single-handed for seven weeks. It could be his value as a rallying point is far greater than his actual use as a military asset.
And I'm hoping Bea can make Mal realize that he can't pretend he's not back in the fight. He made that decision on Miranda, and while it cost him and his badly, once you mount the tiger, you cannot soon dismount.
Looking forward to the rest of the series.
"Hermanos! The Devil has built a robot! Andale!"
--Numero Cinco
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The scene with Early in the chair afterwords does not suit Kaylee either.
I'm sorry you don't see Kaylee having stones (is it that she likes dresses???). As a woman who has worked in an all male field before, lemme assure you, she does. I'm sure she would have had to take a lotta crap, from guys AND other women just to be able to do what she wants... I'm sure she just didn't have occasion to USE her stones before. And she was just a second ahead of him, so yanno, sometimes you do just get to be in the right place at the right time...
...And really, the thing you have a problem with is THAT? That a sweet girl did something to a guy that threatened to rape her???
I guess I just don't get why THAT is sucha stretch...
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Kaylee has a lot of stones and is very smart. She played a major part in planning the heist of the laser gun. She is well aware Serenity operates outside the law and the risk of that.
Miker
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Quote:Kaylee goes ninja on a killer robot in Serenity Better Days #1, March 2008
Originally posted by MIKER:
Kaylee has a lot of stones and is very smart. She played a major part in planning the heist of the laser gun. She is well aware Serenity operates outside the law and the risk of that.
Miker
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The scene with Early in the chair afterwords does not suit Kaylee either.
I'm sorry you don't see Kaylee having stones (is it that she likes dresses???). As a woman who has worked in an all male field before, lemme assure you, she does. I'm sure she would have had to take a lotta crap, from guys AND other women just to be able to do what she wants... I'm sure she just didn't have occasion to USE her stones before. And she was just a second ahead of him, so yanno, sometimes you do just get to be in the right place at the right time...
...And really, the thing you have a problem with is THAT? That a sweet girl did something to a guy that threatened to rape her???
I guess I just don't get why THAT is sucha stretch...
No, my problem is not that Kaylee is a sweet girl and did something to Early. It what she did. For Kaylee it is not believeable. There are a whole ton of ways she could have neutralised Early that would have shown she can be brave, or have stones as you put it, and fit her character. Tricking him into touching a door or panel she had electrified, fining a way to trap him in a room while she evacts the air until he passes out, and a bunch of other way Kaylee could have beat Early and still been in character. Plus it would have have taken away for Early's near superhuman ablities that we have seen in the comics up until now.
Kaylee threatening Early after is even worse. Kaylee is a nice person and I don't think she has that in her. For different reason I cannot see Mal threatening to torture anyone either. I can see him threating to shoot someone if they did not tell him what he wanted, but not torture them.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by M52NICKERSON:
Tricking him into touching a door or panel she had electrified, fining a way to trap him in a room while she evacts the air until he passes out, and a bunch of other way Kaylee could have beat Early and still been in character.
Kaylee threatening Early after is even worse. Kaylee is a nice person and I don't think she has that in her. For different reason I cannot see Mal threatening to torture anyone either. I can see him threating to shoot someone if they did not tell him what he wanted, but not torture them.
IN THE TWO MINUTES HE WAS ON THE SHIP???? Are you delusional??? Maybe if she knew he was coming, but not in that length of time... She had to think fast. And in what book is it written that generally nice people are not capable or do not commit violence? I can show you a whole buncha articles of young girls even younger than her picking up a gun and shooting intruders, beating people for lesser offences, and this is certainly no different.
Like I said, I still think she's messing with him... Anticipation of torture can be worse for some and we never see her touch him, do we?
Just wait for the next one before you go judging...
Still, I wouldn't blame her one bit if she did beat the shit out of him, either way... Here, I'll help. Hand me a clamp
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