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Quote:There's a chart only including states that have broken out Paid vs. Unpaid Enrollments. If you only use those 10 states as a guideline, it looks like the paid rate is around 85% http://acasignups.net/14/03/21/paidunpaid-brouhaha-updated
Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - big difference in who has signed up, and who has enrolled ( paid ). There's legitimate reason for anyone to cry foul over this admin's dishonest reporting of the numbers on this matter. . . .
The only thing collapsing here is O-Care.
And the 15% who have not paid, most have not gotten their first bill.
And some have not paid because the bill was for one cent per month. Yes, that is $0.01. Ridiculous, yes?
I know this because Shirley has a balance of -$0.97 or minus 97 cents on her Obamacare insurance. Shirley sent a one dollar money order to cover her first month's premium with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas. Every month she gets another bill to show she owes another cent. It appears that the law requires everybody to pay some part of their premiums, every month, even if their fraction of the premium is a penny. That must be politics because it makes no business sense to send a bill that is smaller than the cost of a postage stamp.
It is as if the Tea Party was trying to persuade people to not pay and then the Tea Party complains about people not paying. Very useful Tea Party.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by G:
How dare they take this long to get it right! I want my cheap ass health care and I want it NOW!
It's not yours, & it's anything but cheap.
And 4 years is more than enough time to have this off the ground.
It's a disaster, & a massive failure.
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Originally posted by second:
The numbers on how many have signed up for Obamacare are at http://acasignups.net/
For all that this is clearly a pro-ACA site, you can pull some pretty interesting numbers out of their data.
For example, one chart shows around 22.5 million uninsured individuals eligible for the healthcare exchanges.
http://acasignups.net/potential-enrollments
Then there's an article about how many exchange signups were previously uninsured, which arrives at a 62% figure.
http://acasignups.net/14/03/25/new-york-kentucky-finally-clarity-previ
ously-uninsured-numbers
So of the 6.39 million signups estimated to occur by the end of the signup period, 3.9 million will have been previously uninsured.
This means only 17.3% of the uninsured eligible to sign up through the exchanges will have done so, leaving 18.3 million eligible folks with no insurance.
Not great.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Quote:Which was inevitable from the way the law was written. Another example of a law written to partially fail was Social Security. At the beginning of Social Security, nearly two-thirds of all African Americans in the labor force, 70 to 80 percent in some areas in the South, and just over half of all women employed were not covered by Social Security. At the time, the NAACP protested the Social Security Act, describing it as “a sieve with holes just big enough for the majority of Negroes to fall through.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Social_Security_in_the_United_
Originally posted by Geezer:
This means only 17.3% of the uninsured eligible to sign up through the exchanges will have done so, leaving 18.3 million eligible folks with no insurance.
Not great.
States#Initial_opposition
Southern congressmen supported Social Security, but wished to avoid legislation which might interfere with the racial status quo in the South. The solution to this dilemma was to pass a bill that both included exclusions and granted authority to the states rather than the national government. Jumping ahead 8 decades, the Tea Party did similar legal sabotaging to Obamacare law and then the Tea Party calls Obamacare a failure.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Jumping ahead 8 decades, the Tea Party did similar legal sabotaging to Obamacare law and then the Tea Party calls Obamacare a failure.
Considering that the Republicans had no input on the ACA legislation whatever, and that all delays in implementation so far have been at the behest of the president, that's going to be a pretty difficult claim to support.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Health-Care-Overhaul/2010/01/04/
id/345339/
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/obamacare-affordable-care-act-10
5036.html?hp=t1
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Quote:Very disingenuous of you.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Considering that the Republicans had no input on the ACA legislation whatever . . .
Democrats were stupid to let Republicans near the drafting of Obamacare law. After the crime was committed, Republicans wiped off their fingerprints. Dr Frankenstein would be horrified at the absurd process of assembling the Obamacare document from pieces of dead Republican & Democrat legislation. Obamacare law was a cut-and-paste document made from many proposed laws.
Among the laws were the United States National Health Care Act, the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, the Healthy Americans Act (Wyden–Bennett), and the America’s Healthy Future Act (Baucus plan).
If Democrats had written a pristine version of Obamacare, it would have been called Medicare for All, but Republicans were there every step, with all kinds of "helpful" suggestions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Six
There's no plausible legislative tweak to address this mess, since Republicans are implacably opposed to improving Obamacare in any way, shape, or form.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Very disingenuous of you.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Considering that the Republicans had no input on the ACA legislation whatever . . .
Democrats were stupid to let Republicans near the drafting of Obamacare law. After the crime was committed, Republicans wiped off their fingerprints. Dr Frankenstein would be horrified at the absurd process of assembling the Obamacare document from pieces of dead Republican & Democrat legislation. Obamacare law was a cut-and-paste document made from many proposed laws.
Among the laws were the United States National Health Care Act, the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, the Healthy Americans Act (Wyden–Bennett), and the America’s Healthy Future Act (Baucus plan).
If Democrats had written a pristine version of Obamacare, it would have been called Medicare for All, but Republicans were there every step, with all kinds of "helpful" suggestions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Six
There's no plausible legislative tweak to address this mess, since Republicans are implacably opposed to improving Obamacare in any way, shape, or form.
Interesting how you go from Tea Partiers sabotaging the ACA to blaming it on three of the most middle-of-the-road Republicans in the "gang of Six", who actually had no input at all to the ACA. If you want to blame anyone for the mess that the ACA is, you have to blame the Democrats entirely, since they were the ones who argued amongst themselves about it, wrote it, and then passed it without any Republican involvement. You might also place some blame on the President, who declared he wanted a healthcare plan, and then provided almost no leadership or direction to the Democrats in congress.
Trying to blame the Republicans now that the Democrats' legislation is falling apart is actually pretty disingenuous of you.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Second, you seem to not understand that Obamacare is working exactly as it was designed, minus the delays of implementation to try to salvage the Democrat Party before elections throw them out.
The "problems" resulting from Obamacare are exactly what the legislation was intended to do, the havoc wreaking is precisely how it was designed. Nobody knew what was in it, it was submitted and crafted by the phamaceutical donors to Dem coffers, and Speaker Pelosi clearly stated that no debate was allowed, and the legislation had to be passed so that anybody could find out what was in it - because nobody knew what was in it until after the Democrats passed it.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
BIG Mandy Patinkin fan here!
Naturally.
Did you happen to catch the series ' Dead like me ' ? Good stuff.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
BIG Mandy Patinkin fan here!
Naturally.
Did you happen to catch the series ' Dead like me ' ? Good stuff.
No, I've never really watched anything on Scifi except a few movies. Too many damn commercials and promo spots. Mandy was great in the first couple of seasons of Criminal Minds before he left to do Homeland which is also great.
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