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UKRAINE'S BLOODIEST DAY: YET TO COME

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Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:16 AM


Well, one of the things that's really disturbing me is the motherfuckers the jackboot licking fascist lovers of the State Dept are backing in this.

Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukrai
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One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth.” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s official wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector.

Right Sector is a shadowy syndicate of self-described “autonomous nationalists” identified by their skinhead style of dress, ascetic lifestyle, and fascination with street violence. Armed with riot shields and clubs, the group’s cadres have manned the front lines of the Euromaidan battles this month, filling the air with their signature chant: “Ukraine above all!” In a recent Right Sector propaganda video [embedded at the bottom of this article], the group promised to fight “against degeneration and totalitarian liberalism, for traditional national morality and family values.” With Svoboda linked to a constellation of international neo-fascist parties through the Alliance of European National Movements, Right Sector is promising to lead its army of aimless, disillusioned young men on “a great European Reconquest.”

Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February. Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”

In a leaked phone conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt, the US ambassador to Ukraine, Nuland revealed her wish for Tyahnybok to remain “on the outside,” but to consult with the US’s replacement for Yanukovich, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, “four times a week.” At a December 5, 2013 US-Ukraine Foundation Conference, Nuland boasted that the US had invested $5 billion to "build democratic skills and institutions" in Ukraine, though she did not offer any details.



And that comment wasn't hyperbole or rhetoric, when you look at the bastards we've propped up over the years, the evidence is undeniable.

-F

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Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:49 PM

This "color revolution" was fomented by the USA and the EU, and likely timed to coincide with the Olympics, when Putin was otherwise engaged. It looks like the USA got its pick ("Yats"), as opposed to who the Germans wanted ("Klitch"). However, Yats now has to deal with the violent far-right, ultra-nationalists and neo-nazis that were used to spearhead the coup. Those groups are self-trained, experienced street fighters with guns, and Yats was not the outcome they were looking for.

In the meantime, Yats is now telling his fellow Ukrainians that in return for IMF loans, Ukraine now has to follow Greek-style austerity. So good luck with that!

Things are going so well in the Ukraine that the news is silent about the fact that the Crimean Parliament has been taken over by armed pro-Russians. As predicted, Crimea, which not only contains the port that the Russians leased from the Ukraine but is also Russian-speaking and is home to many Russian citizens, looks like it wants to break away. And I say, let them! To each his own!

But the USA is not likely to take that stand, and Russia is not likely to let this go. A shooting war is a distinct possibility.

The Ukraine was due for elections in 2015. That's only next year. What was the urgent urgency that we had to break Ukraine? Why couldn't we have let them resolve their problems internally?

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Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:09 PM

And, for you presumed libertarians out there....

Ron Paul: Leave Ukraine alone!

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...The usual interventionists in the US have long meddled in the internal affairs of Ukraine. In 2004 it was US government money that helped finance the Orange Revolution, as US-funded NGOs favoring one political group over the other were able to change the regime. These same people have not given up on Ukraine. They keep pushing their own agenda for Ukraine behind the scenes, even as they ridicule anyone who claims US involvement.

http://rt.com/op-edge/leave-ukraine-alone-501/

YOU WILL NOTE, GEEZER, that this is from RT. I've said before that Ron Paul is on RT more often than in the USA media, and by god... here he is!

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:26 AM


Fucking hell, it's the Contras all over again, really.

What Happened in Ukraine Was a Presidential Coup, Pure and Simple
http://www.alternet.org/world/what-happened-ukraine-was-presidential-c
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Reasonable people can disagree about whether the EU was driving too hard a bargain or whether Ukraine should undertake such painful economic “reforms” – or how Yanukovych should have balanced the interests of his divided country, with the east dominated by ethnic Russians and the west leaning toward Europe.

But protesters from western Ukraine, including far-right nationalists, sought to turn this policy dispute into a means for overthrowing the elected government. Police efforts to quell the disturbances turned violent, with the police not the only culprits. Police faced armed neo-Nazi storm troopers who attacked with firebombs and other weapons.

Though the U.S. news media did show scenes of these violent melees, the U.S. press almost universally blamed Yanukovych – and took almost gleeful pleasure as his elected government collapsed and was replaced by thuggish right-wing militias “guarding” government buildings.

With Yanukovych and many of his supporters fleeing for their lives, the opposition parties seized control of parliament and began passing draconian new laws often unanimously, as neo-Nazi thugs patrolled the scene. Amazingly, the U.S. news media treated all this as uplifting, a popular uprising against a tyrant, not a case of a coup government operating in collusion with violent extremists.

In the upside-down world that has become the U.S. news media, the democratically elected president was a dictator and the coup makers who overthrew the popularly chosen leader were “pro-democracy” activists.


Anyone wanna take bets on whether the Death Squads, Purges and Bloodbaths following this will crack the American Mainstream Media bullshit-wall ?

-F

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:33 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26380336

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:41 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26379722

Russian transport aircraft are also reported to be on the ground in Crimea.

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 6:18 AM

Ukraine Acting President Says Russia Has Invaded Ukraine, As 2000 Russian Troops, Military Jets Arrive

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Russia has sent "several hundred" troops into Ukraine's Crimea region, US defense officials said Friday, after Kiev called on Moscow to withdraw its forces from the peninsula.
Hardly an invasion

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"It looks like they’ve moved several hundred troops there (into Crimea)," a senior defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

The comments marked the first confirmation from President Barack Obama's administration that Russia had launched an incursion into Crimea. The Russians had not given the US government advance notice of the action or explained its intentions since the operation was launched, officials said. But Pentagon officials stressed Washington was focused on diplomacy, and there was no serious consideration being given to any US military action.

"It is now in the realm of diplomacy," said a second defense official, who asked not to be named. Officials also said they were not aware of any request from Ukraine for military assistance.



Hubby works with a number of expat Russians. Some are saying that the Russian consulate is handing out passports to all Russophones who want to leave for Russia. Maybe this is something like an evacuation?


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Saturday, March 1, 2014 6:57 AM


" After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next . "

- Sarah Palin. October, 2008



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:29 AM

Uh oh! Looks like Putin has ignored stern warnings from President Bicycle Helmet and Secretary of State Ketchup Boy. Where's that fucking red line when you really need it? Zoiks!


Obama's Foreign Policy Team

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Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:53 PM

Rappy- pinning the USA reaction to the Russian invasion of Georgia (AFTER Georgia fired on S Ossetia) on SENATOR Obama was... well, what can I say? Fucking stupid. But then, that's what I've come to expect from you. Because, last I checked, George W Bush was President at the time.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, the best thing Obama could do is stay out of the Ukraine, the same way that he stayed out of Syria. There are several reasons for this:

1) We'd be backing the wrong side. There are a lot of parallels between Syria and the Ukraine, one of which is the presence of extremists on "our" side. In the case of Syria, it is al Qaida jihadists, in the case of Ukraine it is Nazis. (Nothing "neo" about them; they have a direct link to the Nazis of WWII). Even McCain's ill-advised photo-ops are the same.

2) It's an internal matter for the Ukraine, particularly as what happened was a coup against a democratically-elected government.

3) It involves Russia's border. The Russians aren't going to back down on this, and since we created an existential threat to Russia, unless we want to get into a nuclear war with Russia (WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT RUSSIAN SHIP AT CUBA IS CARRYING???) I think we should back off and let them have their secure border.


Obama is, no doubt, a dick. LIKE GW B BUSH, he starts crap that he doesn't think through. LIKE GWB, he's gotten SO used to invading and destroying nations at will he's failed to realize that he didn't bash a gopher with a shovel this time, he bashed a bear.

If you had any sense at all, you would be hoping and praying that Obama doesn't get goaded by people LIKE YOU into a shooting war with Russia because he's been stupid enough to care what people like you think; when he should just mentally shitcan you and your ilk.

But I expect that his military advisors are smarter than you, and are looking at that Russian ship off of Florida and nervously thinking that Washington DC is within (nuclear) missile range.

And, may I say again what an idiot you are? Just contemplate a missile falling short and landing on you. Then you would have some idea of how the average Russian feels, being ringed by NATO's nuclear missiles. We've goaded Russia for decades, and now we put them on a hair-trigger. Russia is not going to back down on this. Where is your sense of self-preservation? Are you a fucking moron??

Oh wait... no need to answer that.

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