Jayne wanted to be a Shepherd but he got stupid

POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 20:19
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BROWNCOAT1

Monday, October 4, 2004 1:35 PM

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Originally posted by Channain:
OH! Hey, I know one reason why he might! When he was, like 8 or something and getting dragged to church services. He saw the offering plate go by and said something like,

"Dang, I wanna be a preacher, looks like easy money."

Then got smacked on the back of his head by his momma.

LOL

I never looked at it like that Channy. Could be you are right.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

PURPLEBELLY

Monday, October 4, 2004 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by LividLiquid:
Many many many years after the Bible. People were speaking English, for fook's sake.

You mean, God doesn't speak English?

CHANNAIN

Monday, October 4, 2004 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by LividLiquid:
Many many many years after the Bible. People were speaking English, for fook's sake.

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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
You mean, God doesn't speak English?

God, yes. The folks who recorded the events in the Bible? Not so much. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The whole thing was then translated to Latin... I forget when exactly, but during the infancy of bookmaking. THEN it was translated to English. There was also something on the History Channel just recently about how the Old Testament originally had no punctuation in it. Hebrew as a language was designed with punctuation, yet the writers of the OT chose not to use it, so now some enterprising folk are exploring the theory that the Bible was originally written in code.

And if memory serves me, that part of "Man shall not lie with man as man lies with a woman" was written by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament, right? Paul was a busy guy and gets a lot of credit for writing Christian scripture, but how much of that was his beliefs, and how much was Divine intervention?

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THEGREYJEDI

Monday, October 4, 2004 6:47 PM

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Originally posted by Channain:
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Originally posted by LividLiquid:
Many many many years after the Bible. People were speaking English, for fook's sake.
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
You mean, God doesn't speak English?
God, yes. The folks who recorded the events in the Bible? Not so much. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The whole thing was then translated to Latin... I forget when exactly, but during the infancy of bookmaking. THEN it was translated to English. There was also something on the History Channel just recently about how the Old Testament originally had no punctuation in it. Hebrew as a language was designed with punctuation, yet the writers of the OT chose not to use it, so now some enterprising folk are exploring the theory that the Bible was originally written in code.

And if memory serves me, that part of "Man shall not lie with man as man lies with a woman" was written by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament, right? Paul was a busy guy and gets a lot of credit for writing Christian scripture, but how much of that was his beliefs, and how much was Divine intervention?

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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God Boy to the, erm, supplying of the specifics...

1 Corinthians Chapter 6 verse 9 (New International Version): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor the idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders..."

St. Paul makes many mentions and condemnations of sexual immorality in his First Letter to the Corinthians as well as the Books of Ephesians and First Timothy.

While the King James Version was originally translated from the latin translations of the Hebrew and Greek texts, more modern translations are taken from the original sources as possible. There is even, if memory serves, a New King James Version, with better translation but still keeping with the language of the 1600's. Which is where I come to a point of contention with using the King James Version in general usage. The English of that era isn't the English of our era. Better understanding through modern vernacular. In it's day, the KJV was the modern vernacular, and easy for anyone who could hear and understand English to grasp. However, the KJV is very pretty and formal. And, incidentally, a useful tool for speaking the language of the day if you happen to be a re-enactor.

And so I can remain on topic, I also don't think Jayne ever really intended to be a preacher, thought the "easy money" comment and thwapping I can see. Heh.

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Monday, October 4, 2004 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
You mean, God doesn't speak English?

"The Pope may be French, but Jesus was English!" --A Knight's Tale

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RUE

Monday, October 4, 2004 11:59 PM

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You mean, God doesn't speak English?

Does that mean god's not some white dude, either?

KASUO

Tuesday, October 5, 2004 6:50 PM

Is the Space Pope reptilian?

GWENHARKER

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 7:37 PM

Although what he was referring to had to do with Ariel, its not a bad notion.

IMHO, I think Jayne came from one of those families that went to church on sundays and their pops said grace at meals and such. He just seems to come from one of those types of families. The only thing I can seem to visually compare it to is a house with three or four rascal-y boys, a quiet, nice mom, and a hardworking 'you-pull-yer-weight-around-this-house-and-'spect-yer-mother' type father. Those type of families in entertainment seem to be what I described up top.

I say this because, when watching 'The Message' last night, Jayne's comments to Book about the Lord, etc and so forth (along with how he sends money back home and all) seems to come from a slightly religious upbringing.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, October 7, 2004 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
So Jayne wanted to be a Shepherd , at least that's what he says to the question Book asked him when River read his mind

does anyone have any thoughts about this, he said the money was too good and he got stupid...I guess this is why he bonded so quickly with book.

I guess thats just another layer to Jaynes canine personality

Jayne isn't talking to Book in that instance where he says " I got stupid, the money was too good". That clearly is a reference to Ariel, where Jayne sold out River and Simon to the Alliance. Later, River tells Simon that Jayne is a liar. River knows, and through her, Simon learns how 'heroic' Jayne really was back on Ariel. Jayne only saves River and Simon after the Alliance double crosses him.

There might be a level of respect that Jayne has for Book. Jayne clearly is a god fearing man, in his own way. But I have little doubt that Jayne ever seriously would consider becoming a Shepherd himself.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

LJOSALF

Thursday, October 7, 2004 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Jayne isn't talking to Book in that instance where he says " I got stupid, the money was too good". That clearly is a reference to Ariel, where Jayne sold out River and Simon to the Alliance. Later, River tells Simon that Jayne is a liar. River knows, and through her, Simon learns how 'heroic' Jayne really was back on Ariel. Jayne only saves River and Simon after the Alliance double crosses him.

When does River say that Jayne is a liar?

Are you referring to this interchange in Trash:

JAYNE
Captain says you're to stay put.
Doesn't want you runnin' afoul of his
blushin' psychotic bride. She
figures out who you are, she'll turn
you in 'fore you can... say... "don't
turn me in, lady".
SIMON
The bounty on us just keeps getting
more exciting.
JAYNE
(busying himself)
Well, I wouldn't know.
RIVER
(looking at Jayne)
She's a liar.
JAYNE
That don't exactly set her apart from
the rest of us. And the plunder
sounds fun enough.
RIVER
She's a liar and no good will come of
her.
JAYNE
Well, I say as a rule that girlfolk
ain't to be trusted.
RIVER
Jayne is a girl's name.

I read this as River picking up that Jayne thinks that YoSafBridge is a liar and no good. The very next moment, he is contemplating that, if given the opportunity, YSB would do exactly the same thing that he tried to do on Ariel and is uncomfortable with looking at his own actions from this perspective which is why he stumbles completing his turn of phrase and ends somewhat foolishly with "...lady, don't turn me in." River's reading slides right into Jayne's discomfort and at the end of the scene she explains to Simon that Jayne is afraid they will find out what he did. I don't recall her ever directly calling him a liar and in Ariel Jayne tries pretty hard to downplay his "heroic" actions during the escape.

Ljosalf

The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.
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