Has F*X learned its lesson?

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UPDATED: Friday, October 8, 2004 21:49
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ZOID

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:51 AM

ShinyLeto wrote:

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Look, I'm not trying to offend anyone here...

Too late. And the remainder of your post did nothing to dispel that impression.

The only thing you've managed to conclusively demonstrate to me is the depth to which you've been indoctrinated in your party's dogma. Painting an entire group of people (i.e., Republicans) who are individuals you do not even know, with such broad strokes is not only a case of denigration of their character, it is nothing short of idealogical bigotry. Why not just say that 'the majority' of Republicans are cigar-chewing fat cats with their feet propped up on the backs of wage slaves?

Your party's nominee to the highest elected office in the land is not only married into one of the greatest familial icons of the Big Business that you're attempting to villify -- in your myopically egocentric way -- he's also politically beholden to the living symbol of Big Government run amok. Without the former he wouldn't have the money to run for dogcatcher, without the latter he wouldn't have the political clout.

If you believe that the Democratic Party is truly the party of 'the little man', the working man, then try this simple test: Get drunk at a party. Get in your car and drive. Drive the car off a bridge, with your 'secretary' (doing God alone knows what) in the front seat next to you. Drag your sorry ass to shore, leaving her to drown. Don't tell anybody until the next day.

I guaran-damn-tee you will not grow up to be the senior Senator from Massachusetts, the power behind your party. You will be getting sodomized on a daily basis by your cellmate, who -- even though he may be a fellow Democrat -- is definitely not a 'little man'.

As far as 'the facts' are concerned, have you ever looked up the personal financial worth of your party's leaders? Didn't think so. Not including the amount the junior Senator from New York scammed off the people of the US through real estate and S&L fraud in the 70's and 80's, she could still buy you several times just from the rent on her taxpayer-provided Manhattan penthouse offices (I recall a figure in excess of $1 million per year. Care to dispute?)

Next time you're trying to mend fences with those you may have angered/insulted, leave the gasoline and matches at home. Eating crow's not easy; but I have it on very good authority that it goes down easier with some Heinz 51 on it...

Angrily,

zoid

P.S.
I will never respond to this crap again. I sincerely hope I offended anyone who adheres to a holier-than-thou worldview, regardless their political affiliation. When I want to hear propaganda, I'll get it from a professional source.

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 3:54 AM

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I am simply saying that, because these facts exist, the demographic that tunes into Fox may not latch on to a show like Firefly. Its just a shame that Fox keeps stumbling on good shows that they end up cancelling because they have a large chunk of viewers who are the wrong audience for them.

Funny that sites like this exist, then. Check that fact against the ones you just made up.

Don't seem right. All that effort into killing a show because no one would watch it, wasted because DVD sales (what they sold a cancelled show on DVD?!?!) are constantly going up and the fan-base is so strong and outspoken that now there will be a movie (see DVD sales). Yeah, they targeted the wrong audience. You sure cracked the case wide open.

Blame the fans & non-fans (known as an audience) as a whole...genius. Of course if the show had actually BEEN PROMOTED AND AIRED PROPERLY, some of us might not have missed it the first go 'round.

F*x is just a sad little king of a sad little hill. Petty execs with delusions of standing.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 1:04 PM

You know I hate to see Browncoats at odds w/ one another, regardless of the reasons.

A wise man said, "There are three things I never discuss; how much money I make, politics, and religion". Ok, the wise part may be premature, but when Nathan said this all I could do was nod my head in agreement. Nothing will cause an arguement (or start a war) faster than discussing politics or religion.

If I might be so bold, let's all take a deep breath, step back, and let this go. It's not worth arguing about.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 2:26 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
You know I hate to see Browncoats at odds w/ one another, regardless of the reasons.

Agreed. However, I'd like to see that Browncoat in particular, educate himself just a little, not much, so as not to anger others. If you use the word "facts" have one or two. If you make a claim, such as F*x's veiwership is mostly Republican voters, at least have a link to show that research so we too can be educated, IF that be the case. And if you don't know, ask, someone might be able to show you the answer.

It's not really too much to ask if you are trying to have an intellectual discussion about a very real subject. I'd prefer to keep it light and friendly, but "I just can't abide useless people."

Truth is, he(she?) MAY be right, but he did nothing to support his claim. Instead he brought a heap of trouble down on himself because, whether intended or not, he looked the part of political monkey by the words and their delivery.

Oh, and in keeping with this thread, NO, F*x will never learn its lesson until they lose enough viewership and sponsorship. Their shotgun approach is working, for now, as they seem to jump from one demographic to the next with the "new show-cancel it-another new show-cancel it-etc."

Eventually they'll burn through every demographic, whether it be young male Republicans who like to eat steak or old Iranian homemakers with dyslexia, soon they will have made and prematurely

cancelled a great show for everyone on the planet and no one will watch their channels anymore. At least they are equal-opportunity-shysters.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2004 4:42 PM

Ok, I may be dense, but I don't recall Blue Sun really being discussed in the show, all we got were pictures in the background about Blue Sun, which reminds me alot of the Coca-Cola signs in New York (never been, remembering pictures I've seen).

I fail to see how Blue Sun could have possibly been seen as much more as just "advertising"

Did I miss something here? I've seen this on plenty of threads and I'm just now wondering how this leap was made that this is some sort of "common knowledge"?

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YT

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyLeto:
Point is, great show or not, Fox would have difficulty persuading a large chunk of its audience to watch it.

I never understood this when one had to get out of the chair or off the couch to change the channel. And now?

Does anyone here actually watch a network? I cannot recall a time when I have ever done so; it's always been a show.

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YT

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 9:34 PM

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Originally posted by jake7:
Ok, I may be dense, but I don't recall Blue Sun really being discussed in the show, all we got were pictures in the background about Blue Sun, which reminds me alot of the Coca-Cola signs in New York (never been, remembering pictures I've seen).

I fail to see how Blue Sun could have possibly been seen as much more as just "advertising"

Did I miss something here? I've seen this on plenty of threads and I'm just now wondering how this leap was made that this is some sort of "common knowledge"?

It's common knowledge once you listen to Joss's commentaries & special features on the DVD.

And, in just a little while, you'll remember that you had figured that out for yourself, and knew it all along, just like the rest of us.

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YT

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
I think, at the very least, F*x underestimated television viewers.

While it probably won't amount to a counterexample, it does make a nice contraindication to the aphorism "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public". I think it comes from P T Barnum; it is definitely pre-TV.

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' course, there are other schools of thought. Here's a couple:

"There are two kinds of people in the world: the kind that think there are only two kinds of people in the world, and the kind that think that people who think there are only two kinds of people in the world are a bunch of mindless twits." (HG2tG)

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: the kind that understand binary, and the kind that don't.

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SHINYLETO

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 9:58 PM

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The only thing you've managed to conclusively demonstrate to me is the depth to which you've been indoctrinated in your party's dogma.

I don't have a party. I'm not registered with any political organization, and I'm sure as hell not a Democrat, and I'm sure as hell not a Republican. I know you have no intention to respond, which is a wise move, as I think this line of conversation needs to stop. But let me first try to clarify here, for everyone else:

I am not trying to make a political statement. I am not saying that Republicans are a party of "cigar chewing fat cats" and that Democrats are "the party of the little man", because that's just a plain stupid thing to think. I'm simply saying that

A)The Republican party supports federal power. This is a fact. The Democratic party supports stronger state government power. Don't try to argue with it; it goes back to before the Civil War and its one of the reasons the conflict was fought: state vs. federal power. Sound familiar? Browncoats vs. the Alliance. Personally, I think a strong federal government with a reasonable balance of state government power is the best way to go, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

B) There are a lot of closed-minded people in the world. Some of them are Democrats, some of them are Republicans, and some of them are something else. Would I not watch a television show because its characters' beliefs differed from mine? Of course I'd watch it, if it was good. But many people are unwilling to step outside their boundaries and take a look at someone else's values. Some of these close-minded people may be Republicans who watch Fox because it has some right-wing programming, and are unwilling to watch a show that does not agree with their beliefs. Likewise, there are just as many close-minded Democrats who would be attract to a network with some left-wing programming, who would not stay to watch a show that conflicted with their beliefs.

C) I'm talking about demographics, not politics. I have no numbers to support what I'm saying, you're absolutely right. I was just presenting an idea, and I had hoped that it would not be belittled and ridiculed because of certain people's political beliefs. A simple "Well, I disagree with you on this, and here's my line of reasoning" would have been fine. I wasn't trying to advance any kind of political agenda, and I'm genuinely sorry if the way I worded my post made it seem that way. I'm not "blaming the fans", I'm blaming the network for poorly promoting and managing the show.

And maybe I'm wrong. People seem to be of that opinion, and maybe they're right. I'm certainly open to the possibility that I am dead wrong. I'm just asking for a chance, and I'm really sorry that the way I worded things caused people to take my remarks as offensive. I'll take Zoid's route and I won't say any more on the subject. Apologies for the post.

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YT

Wednesday, October 6, 2004 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by browncoatfan1:
i realy hate fox now they could have given firefly a few more weeks try

I thank Fox, for giving Joss Whedon $38Million to make this series (rumored $12Million for the pilot, plus $2Million per ep). I thank Fox for putting it on the air. And I am grateful to all of you here; you kept Joss's spirits up, and helped him get the DVD released. Without all three of the above, I wouldn't have known Firefly.

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