The Desolation of SUCK.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:49
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Man, I knew this was gonna be bad, but I still had to see it for myself to believe it.
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug was HOOOORIBLE. P.Jackson has absolutely wizzed all over The Hobbit, while completely ignoring the LOTR series at the same time!
WHY ???
He didn't screw up the " Prequel " as badly as Lucas did with Star Wars, but then, who could ? Still, PJ has made a good run at it. Martin Freeman does a admirable job, where he's allowed to, but I feel the effort barely gets noticed, for how bad the rest of the film is made.
*ETA - I guess it's not as bad as originally thought, though I still do have issues w/ certain parts. The Dwarves and Smaug's fight scene, inside the mountain, was a bit ridiculous and unnecessary.
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Why was it so bad? Is this in comparison to the book? Was it too long? Was the acting bad? I need a little more detail.
SGG
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I didn't want to get too spoilery, just yet, but I'M GOING TO NOW!!
Peter Jackson veers far off the original book, needlessly brings back Orlando Bloom as Legolas, and there's even a passing reference to Gimli. Mind you, Legolas doesn't appear in the Hobbit by name, but he's front and centre here in this movie.
But the biggest abomination concerns Sauron and the Nazgul. NEITHER were any more than a shuddered thought, not even mentioned before the early part of Fellowship of the Ring, but go back in time, and it's " HEY ! The gang's all here !! " Rubbish!!! Absolute Orc poop!
And where in the hell was the White Council ? Gandalf does battle w/ The EYE, even before the White Council convenes ? What the mother 'effin HELL Peter ???
Oh, and there are so many more things wrong w/ this movie... I may be ill.
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I liked it, even if it wasn't exactly faithful to the books, he brought in a lot of ideas from other sources and tried to make sense of what was going on.
I was impressed he even brought in the Necromancer thing, even if it's a little out of order.
Some artistic liberties were made for the sake of the audience, but he tied things in with the future LotR books pretty well.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I liked it, even if it wasn't exactly faithful to the books, he brought in a lot of ideas from other sources and tried to make sense of what was going on.
I was impressed he even brought in the Necromancer thing, even if it's a little out of order.
A LITTLE out of order? It's COMPLETELY out of order, and make a cluster fuck of Fellowship! Gandalf riding to Gondor, consulting the ancient manuscripts, and finally piecing together the clues, and going to Saruman is now utterly pointless !!!
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Some artistic liberties were made for the sake of the audience, but he tied things in with the future LotR books pretty well.
It did exactly the opposite.
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Quote:Have more patience. Through evil enchantment, Gandalf's memories float away down a dark mythological river whose name begins with an L as far as he can recall. Peter Jackson reveals the powerful Clue Less Ness magic spell cast upon Gandalf in part 3 . . .
Originally posted by AURaptor:
A LITTLE out of order? It's COMPLETELY out of order, and make a cluster fuck of Fellowship! Gandalf riding to Gondor, consulting the ancient manuscripts, and finally piecing together the clues, and going to Saruman is now utterly pointless !!!
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They've been saying for 4 or 5 years now that they're expanding on a lot of stuff just mentioned or referred to in the book. Little funny to be surprised by it.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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*sigh*
And don't get me started on the whole 'Warrior She-Elf' business. As noted with Arwen in LOTR, the females were anything but shy, timid creatures who could not take care of themselves. That being said, I don't recall Tolkien ever introducing such a skilled orc slaying She-Elf, in all his works. Including The Silmarillion, though it's been some time since I've reread that work.
And speaking of Elves, PJ figured it worth while to introduce the sort of caste system w/ in the Elves. Which is all well and good, if this were The Silmarillion. But it wasn't. And that's part of the problem. PJ is trying to unwrap and unload the entirety of Middle Earth in a story which was fairly simple and straight forward. The journey of a Hobbit into the big , bad world, and his eventual safe return. But he's turned a quaint children's story ( which is what The Hobbit was intended to be in the first place ) into a humongous saga.
I don't know who he's making this movie for, if not for the avid Tolkien fan. The friend I took , who had no real knowledge of the story before hand, was totally lost. I didn't really know what to tell her, as I was trying to decipher it my own self.
The introduction of new characters, new sub plots, the changing of the chronological order of MAJOR themes... it's just a frelling disaster, imo.
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I enjoyed it, much more than the first hobbit movie which was overly childish and way to colorful for me. Literally, they dyed the thing to death so it liked some velvet pastel painting a 10 year old would hang in their room.
I for one am glad that they included a lot from the simarillian and from the council chapter from fellowship. I love all that backstory and the hobbit dearly needs it to add some depth and darkness. Making a movie just of simarillian would be a bit dry, though I won't mind if they eventually try.
The presence of legolas is fine by me. Hey, it's Hollywood. They do stuff like that. They turned the barrel ride into a video game/ roller coaster ride preview (because of course both with be marketed and sold) which offended my purist side a bit, but it was kinda fun so that's ok.
I'm very happy that they've made an effort to include a strong female character. Also amused that she's onto the dwarf rather than the obvi heartthrob.
Most of all, I'm pleased that they included the bear guy without making him cheesy and cute, which he kinda of was in the book, and I'm super pleased with the spiders. I was very pissed over shelob, which they made the wrong kind of spider. Seriously, I was so looking forward to being creeped out by her, but they made her a low, jumpy kind of spider rather than the long legged blobby horned monstrosity of the book. Her relatives in the forest were closer to what she was supposed to be.
All in all, speaking as someone who read all these books too many times to be counted, I didn't mind the liberties taken in this movie, and I'm likely going to see it for the second time today.
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For a quaint children's story, you're taking this pretty seriously.
He actually does go and confront the necromancer in the Silmarillion before the White Council is ever organized. In the Silmarillion the Necromancer withdraws that time, but Gandalf is left with the distinct impression that it actually was Sauron and not a Nazghul. Which is why he does suggest the council be formed, and Saruman is made the leader of the council. This has already happened by the time of The Hobbit, which is why we have that scene with Galadriel in the first movie.
Then, to get the key to Erebor, Gandalf goes AGAIN to Dol Guldur where Thrain II is being held for some reason, and determines it really is Sauron. Technically this should have happened BEFORE the story of The Hobbit even STARTED, but all Peter Jackson did is make it implicit. With Gandalf inexplicably leaving in the middle of The Hobbit, it's not unbelievable that Gandalf would then go to Dol Guldur again by himself and try to confront Sauron again and Sauron might have gained enough power to reveal himself conclusively. Especially since the next time Gandalf shows up, it's to warn everyone about the oncoming orc army about to join the Battle of Five Armies.
Or that after The Hobbit is over, Gandalf would go to Gondor not to determine if it is Sauron, because he already knows that even in the books, but rather to determine a way to defeat Sauron.
Basically, my thoughts in regards to the Dol Guldur subplot amounted to "eh, close enough."
And I liked the she-elf Tauriel because she added to the story. The Legolas cameo went on a little too long, but Tauriel helped add some dimension to the dwarf characters, which is a good thing.
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