Book: Hero or Villain?
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The reason why I think Jubal recognizes him is because it's not like someone can look at a man in priest garb and say "He's no preacher." Seems a little odd that he could make that judgement off hand.
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Originally posted by TheGreyJedi:
The reason why I think Jubal recognizes him is because it's not like someone can look at a man in priest garb and say "He's no preacher." Seems a little odd that he could make that judgement off hand.
It is odd. It is supposed to be odd. It puts Early above the crew who just have vague feelings along that line.
My point on phrasing, is that I can't imagine anyone using such an impersonal form of address for someone that even know of. I could never say for instance "Father Guido Sarducci. That's no shepherd." I would have to say "HE's no shepherd." Treating a person so much like an object requires no connection, however remote (plus a bit of psychotic tendencies
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My take on Jubal's comment about Book is this: He didn't know Book or recognize him specifically from some prior encounter. I think Jubal just saw a "kindred spirit." One predator recognizing another in passing... even if the other is really a reformed predator.
Still has the smell of meat about him, so to speak.
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Originally posted by corwyn:
He says "That's no shepherd" not "He's no shepherd."
Book is a mechanoid?
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um iam not realy sure, there is defently something he is not telling the rest of the crew. i think that he was once in the alliance b/c of the episode when he was shot and alliance took him into suryery no ?s asked. he showed them a id card. ( which prop had all his info on it telling the med peps who he realy was.)
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My take on Jubal's comment about Book is this: He didn't know Book or recognize him specifically from some prior encounter. I think Jubal just saw a "kindred spirit." One predator recognizing another in passing... even if the other is really a reformed predator.
Still has the smell of meat about him, so to speak.
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I like that, I still maintain that a man of that much skill and knowledge must have at least some powerful ties in the Alliance.
But what he did to gain those ties is the question.
So Jubals comment was kind of a sleek and hungry panther sneering at a tired and wiser lion.
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I think that saying Book was with the Alliance at Serenity Valley is just simply too easy. Why? Because it is the best answer! Its the answer that fits most of the given facts, but since when has Joss ever settled for leaving us without a twist?
A friend of mine theorized that he was a third party sent to look after River. After all, those that freed her may still have an agenda about her. That would support the "I don't care if your innocent or not theory."
It also supports why he wasn't looking at destinations with the ships. Perhaps he only knew that Simon Tam had been reported to be going with a FireFly...
Personally, I think that is a bit far out.
Besides, he is all set and ready to leave Simon and River behind when Inara first grabs them to evacuate on that first episode. He can't be there for them if he is leaving so easily.
Another reason I don't think he was nessasarily a general with the Alliance. If he was particularly high up, his face would be known. I live in a military town, and its a very small community really (the military I mean). Especially for someone so very high in rank.
But perhaps in intelligence. Set high enough there, but isolated enough that he could legitmately respond to Inara with a bit of 'Uh. Companion. Ummm.' and yet know all the details about weapons, ships and Niska.
And about Jubal recognizing? From what I'd gathered, Jubal was a very methodical man. He knew Serenity's crew. He guessed the reaction and best way to nuetralize /all/ of them (Kaylee's fear of rape - think she was attacked before, btw or that was just a normal reaction? Simon's desire to turn the tables and likely hood to work with Jubal to wait for that chance, Inara's attempt to get in his head on the shuttle).
So, I think his statement was based on more than just feel, but on facts.
And, on the contrary - Jubal had been stressing things as Objects. The weight of them. The way they interact. That distant view seems to be part of his mind set. I can very well see him looking at Book, knowing his real name, and still saying "That".
Especially if Book /does/ have a bad rep.
I'll hush now. Obviously you can tell I'm a Jubal fan. :)
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Let's take a different sort of look at Book.
From a literary point of view, what is Book in the "western" genre?
Perhaps he is the retired gunfighter. The guy who was one of the best, whom all others measured themselves against (often by trying to outshoot him to make a name for themselves).
Book could be the guy who is tired of it all and is TRYING to retire, but life, and circumstances, just keep pulling him back.
Now I don't mean to suggest that Book was literally a gunfighter in the 'verse, but I do think that the character fills that role in a western.
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Originally posted by Corncobb:
But the moment in Objects in Space where River read his mind convinced me otherwise. When he said "I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not, so where does that put you?" it sent a chill down my spine.
I still have the view that River was seeing the past. and that the vision she got was back when Book was in the war ( on the wrong side ). I think he has to do and saw way to much and that is what drove him to religion and the Abbey. And that vision we see is when he perhaps caught up to those in power that gave the orders and they pleaded innocent, as in following orders. He perhaps had a face to face to extract payment for the bad orders.
Opposite of Mal, Book found religion in the war
and Mal lost it.
As to going on a mission, during history many leave the "sect" for a time to decide if things are right for them and they truly wish to go forward ( even nins do that ). But from his "walk the world ahile" comment I think he has decided he needs to go out, see how the world is now and be of some help so he can begin to atone.
The Journey is the worthier part.
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The comment about "Bushwacked" reminds me of another discrepancy: Why did the feds seem to know him and consider him so important as to deserve immediate medical attention in "Safe", but he was treated as just another suspect to interrogate in "Bushwacked"? Maybe his 'important status' only goes so far?
Or maybe we are shown him being interrogated so we don't catch on to his deeper dark role on the show?
Or maybe the wet-behind-the-ears Fed Captain in "Bushwacked" just didn't get the memo of who makes the elite list?
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