Iraq WMD v2.0

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SIGNYM

Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:40 PM

Syria.

It won't matter where the evidence points, the USA is going to topple yet another regime. Just watch. You'd think that we would have learned by now. Yanno... fool me once?

WHOZIT

Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:45 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Syria.

It won't matter where the evidence points, the USA is going to topple yet another regime. Just watch. You'd think that we would have learned by now. Yanno... fool me once?

You really think Barry has the balls to send in troops? Him and the Dems and the MSM will find an excuse not to.

The differance is this time we know there are WMD's.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:56 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Syria.

It won't matter where the evidence points, the USA is going to topple yet another regime. Just watch. You'd think that we would have learned by now. Yanno... fool me once?

Several reasons why I don't see this taking place as described...

The US wants no part taking sides against Putin and the Russians. Or Iran. Or China

There's no heart left in the American public to fight yet ANOTHER war, in the M.E.

Oh yeah, the side we'd be taking up with, the rebels ? Many are crazy ass fanatical Muslims, if not completely, in large part. They'll eat body organs of their fallen victims, gleefully, in front of a camera. Despite McCain bein' best buds w/ these folks, I don't see the American public, Left OR Right, wanting anything to do w/ these folks as our 'allies'.

This ain't a small, tactical, SEAL team, flying in under the cover of night, and taking out bin Laden. This would be a large scale, massive, expensive and drawn out endeavor. Maybe even costlier, and with even a less positive outcome, as Iraq.

It's too late in the game. 2 years ago, maybe, if we'd lead a full out, multi-national effort. But now ? No way.

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NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Monday, August 26, 2013 12:18 AM

Aerial bombardment or missile strikes within the next week. Maybe drones. Nothing more.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 26, 2013 1:57 AM

Yep, just dead people, that's all. Yanno, collateral damage.

Nothing to see here, move along.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 26, 2013 2:28 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Aerial bombardment or missile strikes within the next week. Maybe drones. Nothing more.

Didn't we try guided munitions and cruise missiles for like 10 years in Iraq before we had to go in , boots on the ground ?

( And spare me the " WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO IN AT ALL! " rhetoric. I'm dealing in the real world, not some hypotheticals. We either go in heavy, or not at all. Sitting on the dock w/ our toes dangling in the water won't cut it )

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SIGNYM

Monday, August 26, 2013 4:39 AM

WE DIDN'T NEED TO GO IN AT ALL.

There. No rhetoric, just the truth.

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Now, as far as Syria is concerned, I'll bet you dollars to donuts the chemical attack was executed by our good old friends, Al Qaida in Syria.

Why do I think that, you might ask? Well, for one thing, Syrian troops have been holding their own; it would make no military or political sense to use chemical weapons and involve the USA. Also, if the Syrian military were to use chemical weapons, they would attack jihadist forces, not civilians.

OTOH, I think we all agree that if a fighting force is brutal enough to eat the raw heart of an enemy, and saw off the heads of defenseless captives with dull knives, they would be brutal enough to kill civilians just to gain sympathy and (more importantly) provide a creative excuse for USA military support.

And by the time you've seen your 20th video of the choking victims, and the rows of young children looking so peaceful in death, you too will be raging for "justice"... whatever that means.

It's hard to keep your head when everyone else is losing theirs.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 26, 2013 9:50 AM

For the greater cause of Allah, or some such. I guess the particulars of such an attack need to be assessed before we can really determine who did it. The spent chemical dissipates so rapidly only making matters worse, and harder to figure out the finger print of the weapon. There really seems not to be a 'good side' in this war, and it goes against human nature to just sit and watch innocent civilians get slaughtered by the truck load.

This sucks, any way ya look at it.

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SIGNYM

Monday, August 26, 2013 3:44 PM

Neither Syria nor Russia have a credible interest in using chemical weapons, since it was very clear that the USA would become involved as a result. Once the USA becomes involved, neither Russia nor Syria can do fuck-all about it... and that's not a position they want to be in.

There are three credible actors in this scenario:

1) Saudi-supported Al Qaida, AKA "the rebels". (As if this was some kind of Star Wars movie!)

2) Israel, which has already missiled Syria directly several times and may want/ need more military and political cover for futher action.

3) The CIA. We've already proved three times over that we're willing to destroy ME governments, and we've been angling to get rid of Syria and Iran for over a decade.

I think this is another confluence of interests, just like Iraq (the oil companies wanted the oil, we wanted the continuence of the petrodollar, Kuwait/ Saudi Arabia wanted a potential economic threat neutralized, with the added bonus feature that China is denied easy access to oil, and a convenient chemical/biological/nuclear-weapons cover story.)

The same players are still in play, and I'm beginning to see the outlines of who will tolerate what. There is a strong USA-Saudi (al Qaida)- Israeli nexus. Saudi Arabia gives fuck-all about Palestinians, but their petrodollar agreement with us protects them from Israel and Israel from them. So al Qaida doesn't attack Israel, and Israel pays them no mind. We and the Saudis are joined at the petrodollar hip, and we and Israel are joined at the religion hip.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria ... so much human excrement.

AFA evidence... if they can find the shells or delivery system (How was it emplaced? How was it dispersed?) it would help to determine who did what. Military parts... they tend to be standardized, since they're mass-produced, so there might be hard evidence above and beyond the nature and chemical makeup of the liquid (Did it have stabilizers? Did it represent a known production process?) used.

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:44 AM

Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria

http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/saudis-offer-russia-secr
et-oil-deal-if-it-drops-syria-20130827-2smvt.html

Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia’s gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria.

As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord.

‘‘I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the Games are controlled by us,’’ he allegedly said.

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on and off.

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