So, what the heck is libertarianism?
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Does a consortium count? How about price-fixing?
Most people would consider a trip to the gas station a perfect everyday example.
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
re Aquanopoly vs Geezer's Geysers, isn't the "cheaper short term, because it's a loss leader" strategy what Wal-Mart did?
So we all have to shop at Wal-Mart because its the only store left. Right?
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And didn't the Apple Mac computer lose out to the PC and Windows because it was more expensive, even though better? and Sony BetaMax vs VHS? seems I remember a Sony DVD format losing the same way, but I don't remember the name, I might be wrong about that one.
I seem to recall passing an Apple store in the mall the other day. How could that be?
And Betamax lost out because it was awkward. I'd note that you can get movies and video streaming, on Netflix, by download, and various other ways instead of DVD. This is a monopoly?
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And isn't that what the Federal dumping charges against Korean and other Asian steel were about? Sell below cost, lose money, make the competition lower its price to get any business at all, until it goes broke, then jack up the price and lower the quality. Isn't that the way the game is played ?
Korea and other Asian producers subsidized by their governments. That's the way governments play the game. You okay with that?
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Quote:Why "nationwide"? If you need it, and you can only get it from one source, it's a monopoly as far as you're concerned. Talk about a biased question!
name one nationwide monopoly on any item most everyone neeeds
ETA: if you see a lot of typos, just chalk it up to painkillers and muscle relaxants... I saved them for the evening .... WHEEEE!!!!!!
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Very good observation. I wonder if Geezer has an answer.
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Quote:Muscle relaxants... they relax SO MUCH MORE than muscles! Whooda thunk???
I wonder if Geezer has an answer.
OF COURSE Geezer doens't have answer!
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This thread leads me to two (not new) conclusions:
1) Geezer's dream libertarian system has nothing to do with a new system of government. It is a change in fundamental human nature. Go read his posts again. It's right there. The system doesn't change, it's only that in his utopia everyone is uniform in the way they buy into it. It all works in his fantasy because in his fantasy suddenly everyone wants the same thing and has the same values.
Yeah, it's easy to have a govt that works when there is no conflict in human nature. How about a system that can be applied in reality? Because, in reality, there will ALWAYS be conflicts in basic beliefs.
In my experience, libertarians will never admit for this inconvenient reality. Because they are so stuck in the idea that their values should somehow be universal. Because they are so very right. Why can't everyone see it? /irony
2) Six is on the sauce again.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Why "nationwide"? If you need it, and you can only get it from one source, it's a monopoly as far as you're concerned. Talk about a biased question!
name one nationwide monopoly on any item most everyone neeeds
Oh, come on. You said that pretty much any society would eventually end up with monopolies and the very few running everything, and now you want to quibble about size.
And you complain about biased questions? Please.
But okay. Name an existing total monopoly in the U.S. over an area 100 miles from wherever the central water (or whatever) plant is (100 mile diameter), as you described earlier. Just to be fair (sorry) let's say in an area of pretty good population density, not wher there's 10 folks per square mile. And once again, no government, or government supported, monopoly.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
This thread leads me to two (not new) conclusions:
1) Geezer's dream libertarian system has nothing to do with a new system of government. It is a change in fundamental human nature.
Winner, winner chicken dinner. You're exactly right.
Just like it called for a fundamental change in human nature for democracy to develop, or for people to decide that keeping people enslaved was wrong. Glad you figured it out.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Quote:Of course I do. And so do you, apparently.
now you want to quibble about size.
If YOU depend on me for water, you depend on me.What an ass you are!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Of course I do. And so do you, apparently.
now you want to quibble about size.
What an ass you are!
Okay. So you don't have an answer, and resort to insult.
I win.
Woopee.
Or I could assume that painkillers make you more prone to insult than good rye makes me, and wait for you to tell me about that 100 mile monopoly in a fairly well populated portion of the U.S. that doesn't involve government.
I'm going to bed, as it's 11:15PM here.
I'll check your answer, or continuing insults, in the morning.
p.s. still awaiting your solutin to the "inevitable monopoly" scenario.
Hope your pain is reduced and that you get a good rest.
You'll need it tomorrow.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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