So, what the heck is libertarianism?
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This is the spiel, but what do you actually mean by it all? How does it really work? How, in a large and complex society, where your individual rights start to infringe on anothers individual rights, and how does this get defined and sorted?
RAPPY- Waving the word "freedom" like a flag isn't an explanation. Is it possible that you could come up with an answer to this question, and more?
Look at you. Wanting more and more answers, to be told what to think and how to live. And sure as hell if i were to produce any sort of manifesto, you'd call me CRAZY for trying to impose my rules on your lifestyle,
Oh, but we already HAVE such a plan to go by, more or less. A pretty darn good outline.
Can ya guess what that might be ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
Resident USA Freedom Fundie
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Frem
That was quite some digging!
I have them racked up tab by tab and will peruse them shortly.
THANKS!
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Oh, and even a handy TL;DR video version for them that want a capsule overview instead of dredging pages of hostile discussions and endless blatant strawmanning....
Yep, that'll do.
Remember tho, imma ANARCHIST, not a libertarian, and those are different things, but the key differences are discussed in detail in those threads.
-F
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Look at you. Wanting more and more answers, to be told what to think and how to live. And sure as hell if i were to produce any sort of manifesto, you'd call me CRAZY for trying to impose my rules on your lifestyle
And look at you. Wanting to avoid answers more and more!
I don't want to be told what to think and how to live. I just wanted to know what you think. Is that such a problem?
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I've already told you.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Necrodredging FTW!
Libertarian Vs. Minarchy Vs. Anarchy
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=35023
Sadly, parts I and IV return a 404, but here is part II and III
The Libertarian and Anarchist Society- Part II
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=32312
Libertarian and Anarchist Society Part III
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=32384
Yay me, I found the "Story of Burt" post - Siggy no doubt remembers THAT one!
A story and a question.
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=32089
Here's a shorter thread which seems useful.
For those thumbing through the brochures..
http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=33044
Help from Libertarians/Anarchists
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=32253&p=1
Smallish thread, more spiritual perspectives.
What do I as an individual owe to society and/or mankind?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=37006&mid=6
78918
Ah, and one of the be-all-end-all arguments, a five pager, right to travel vs right to protest.
Stop the Traffic
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=43940
That'll keep ya busy for a while, I think.
-Frem
Read most of this that'll still come up.
Made me sad at the number of folks we've lost, and at the loss of civility in even pretty heated discussions.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Quote:Yeah. "Liberty." Me too. But the liberty that I imagine isn't like the one that you imagine. Imagine that.
I've already told you.
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Quote:Well, there was a lot less rappy-and-PN-and Zit-posting.
Made me sad at the number of folks we've lost, and at the loss of civility in even pretty heated discussions.
You're right- the boards were better then!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Well, there was a lot less rappy-and-PN-and Zit-posting.
Made me sad at the number of folks we've lost, and at the loss of civility in even pretty heated discussions.
You're right- the boards were better then!
Sure. Life is great when everyone agrees with you.
Those pesky counter views can be such a bother, huh?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
Resident USA Freedom Fundie
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In a strange serendipity, there's an article about current libertarians in the Washington Post today. Since the Post has gone 'pay-per-view', I'll post the whole thing.
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Way back in 1975, a Republican agitator named Ronald Reagan had this to say about an esoteric young movement that was roiling politics: “If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”
Neither the GOP old guard nor the rowdy libertarians ever quite bought that argument.
They both lay claim to the same conservative economic philosophy. But libertarians are more isolationist and antiwar than Republican orthodoxy allows on foreign policy and more permissive on social issues.
Still, in the nearly four decades since Reagan made those comments, the two have managed — at least most of the time — to maintain an uneasy marriage of expedience.
Libertarianism once again appears to be on the rise, particularly among the young. But its alliance with the Republican establishment is fraying, as demonstrated by the increasingly personal war of words between two leading potential 2016 presidential contenders.
The sparring began last week, when New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) posited: “As a former prosecutor who was appointed by President George W. Bush on Sept. 10, 2001, I just want us to be really cautious, because this strain of libertarianism that’s going through both parties right now and making big headlines, I think, is a very dangerous thought.”
After Christie made it clear that he was referring to Rand Paul, the Senate’s leading critic of the National Security Agency and its surveillance programs, the Kentucky Republican fired back on his Twitter account: “Christie worries about the dangers of freedom. I worry about the danger of losing that freedom. Spying without warrants is unconstitutional.”
Their feud — which is being watched closely as a possible warmup round for 2016 — has continued, expanded and spilled over into other issues.
On Tuesday, Christie chided: “If Senator Paul wants to start looking at where he’s going to cut spending to afford defense, maybe he should start cutting the pork-barrel spending that he brings home to Kentucky.” After which Paul told CNN that the plus-size governor was “the king of bacon talking about bacon.”
This kind of rancor is pretty much the last thing the Republican Party needs right now as it struggles to broaden its appeal and find its footing in the wake of two successive presidential defeats.
For their part, libertarians are thrilled. They say it is a sign they truly have arrived as a force to be dealt with, rather than dismissed as a fringe element.
“There are a lot of people within establishment Republican Party politics who have controlled the process for the last 10 or 20 years who fear that their grip on the party is slipping away,” said Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), whose amendment to restrict the NSA’s ability to collect telephone records came surprisingly close to passing in the House last week.
In an interview, Amash argued that despite opposition from House GOP leaders, his point of view represents an advancing wave among House Republicans. He cited an analysis by Bloomberg News showing that while House Republicans who have served more than five years opposed his amendment by more than 2 to 1, it won a slim majority among those who have arrived there more recently.
The amendment, which was co-authored by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), a liberal stalwart who is a half-century older than Amash, also won more than 100 Democratic votes.
Libertarianism tends to rise as a backlash to government expansiveness and incompetence, said David Boaz, executive vice president of the libertarian Cato Institute, who has written extensively about the movement’s history.
He said the modern movement began to flower in the late 1960s and early 1970s in reaction to the Vietnam War, disenchantment with the growth of social programs during the Great Society era, stagflation and the Watergate scandal.
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