Ann Rice Has Gone Crazy!!!!!!!!!
POSTED BY: Spookyjesus
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 09:34
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This attitude that Mr Lucas, or for that matter Ms Rice, owe their fans amuses me. You paid money to read/see their product. No one forced you, you did it of your own free will. You got to read/see their product, and hopefully enjoyed it. Now you seem to think that ten dollars (or whatever you paid) entitles you to a say in their lives. In your line of work would you appreciate people thinking they had a right to tell you what to do? After all their money is contributing towards your wages.
What exactly do the readers owe Ms Rice besides the ten dollars?
They did not like the book and they wrote a review to that effect. If she does not want to read criticism of her work she should not read reviews.
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From reading all the reviews it seemed the gist of them was:
Anne turned Lestat into a voicepiece for her to complain at the readers who didn't like her previous books. Then she tried to include all of the characters in her universe in 300 some pages. The results were less than successful. Who wants to be spend money to be told "You suck. You don't understand what I am doing." followed by drivel.
Dear Ms. Rice literature is open to interpretation.
Finally, for someone who claims not need an editor, its LIBEL you ****, NOT SLANDER.
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Originally posted by Wren:
Now you seem to think that ten dollars (or whatever you paid) entitles you to a say in their lives.
Who's asking for a say in their lives? People are just expressing their dissatisfaction with the product they purchased.
Jayne, your mouth is talkin. Might want to look into that.
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TragicStory wrote:
From reading all the reviews it seemed the gist of them was:
Anne turned Lestat into a voicepiece for her to complain at the readers who didn't like her previous books. Then she tried to include all of the characters in her universe in 300 some pages. The results were less than successful. Who wants to be spend money to be told "You suck. You don't understand what I am doing." followed by drivel.
This made me laugh out loud... thanks.
I haven't read an Anne Rice novel since The Vampire Armand. Talk about a book that really needed an editor... whoa doggies. The first part went along fine, and then the last part seemed slapped together in a rush... like Ms. Rice had to jet off to some far flung land to research her next book. Story arcs were left to whiter in mid arc and the conclusion was an exercise in taking the more outlandish tendencies of her writing style and running wild with them... but not in a good way...
I'm saying this as an Anne Rice fan from waaaaaay back... I'm talkin' waaaaaay back. I have a first edition Interview with the Vampire that I bought new, with my "own money", as a school kid... and I've kept up fairly well with her work since then. I've even stood hours in a long line to meet her and have books signed. I was thrilled to meet her and treasure those autographed books to this day.
However, some brilliant and creative people can fall victim to their own style and fame. The attention of legions of "worshipful" fans who will praise an artist's work no matter what, can ultimately do a disservice to that artist. This artist's already eccentric tendencies will be given free rein and run wild, exaggerate, and eventually the creations become a caricature of their former brillance.
There is a balance that needs to be struck with creative individuals. Artists need the freedom to explore, give their ideas room to run and take chances. However, artists also need trusted friends, editors, whatever, to let them know when their creativity has gone from daring, to a mutated version of itself.
Perhaps that's the trap of being super successful... those close to the person hesitate to tell them "no" and risk leaving the inner circle... and the artist distrusts critical outsiders as being ignorant, jealous or dim. After all, if the artist is super successful, who are these complainers to talk?
It's tricky.... Too much criticism and self doubt, and an artist can become locked up. Not enough helpful feedback, and an artist can feel they can do no wrong.
11thHour
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Quote:What she said.
Originally posted by 11thHour:
There is a balance that needs to be struck with creative individuals. An artist needs the freedom to explore, give their ideas room to run and take chances. However, the artist also needs trusted friends, editors, whatever, to let them know when their creativity has gone from daring, to a mutated version of itself.
Rice's views on editors can be perceived as "arrogant" or similar, because she comes across as suggesting that editors are for feeble writers, who will need less editing as they become good writers, and at the very top you have great writers who have cast their editors aside.This is false.
Some of the very best writers' work is enhanced by their editors. Some of the very best writers don't use editors, and their work might well suffer if they were forced to use editors. (It depends on the writer.) As a general rule, a good writer will always benefit from a good editor. Is it possible that Rice had a bad editor early on, from which experience she has concluded that editors are evil?
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Originally posted by nedward:What she said.
This is false.
Yep.
A writer who achieves great book sales is in a position of some power and can make demands. Such as, "No editor may touch a word of my work!"
However, great sales numbers is not automatically the same thing as never, ever, having one's work benefit from a skilled and perceptive editor.
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Some of the very best writers' work is enhanced by their editors. Some of the very best writers don't use editors, and their work might well suffer if they were forced to use editors. (It depends on the writer.) As a general rule, a good writer will always benefit from a good editor. Is it possible that Rice had a bad editor early on, from which experience she has concluded that editors are evil?
When Anne Rice first hit the scene she, naturally, was unknown. Her style and approach to the fantastical subject material she chose was bound to meet with some resistance... and most likely, endeavors to "rein her in". This is infuriating to an artist with a unique vision who is just starting and working to make her way. She did use the term "mutilate" in conjunction with the subject of editors. So yes, it seems her prior experiences were not positive.
Even excellent writers can go off on tangents. No creative individual is immune to this. Having the assistance of an editor who has the right feel and understanding of the writer's style, and has the valuable position of objectivity, can be of enormous benefit.
Even the most beautiful trees can have unhealthy or "crazy growing" branches. Having someone who knows what parts need to be trimmed to help shape the tree and preserve the best of it, is a good thing.
But in the end, the artist needs to have final say. The hope is that the artist can keep his/her ego in check enough to be able to listen to others when the advice is needed.
11thHour
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This is the best thread ever.
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I agree, it is an entertaining thread....
but I'm wondering, those of you who are fans
and agree w/Anne Rice that every word is precious.
Are you really telling me that you don't skip a few paragraphs
when she REALLY gets going on her 'Philosophy'
because I can tell you, I was skipping pages
and pages, at a time!
Not need an editor! Ha! She only thinks every word is perfect,
and she is really wrong.
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