Zimmerman's Own Words
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Viewpoint: Was Zimmerman Telling the Truth? by John McWhorter
http://ideas.time.com/2013/07/15/viewpoint-was-zimmerman-telling-the-t
ruth/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true
"But we still will never know the truth about this key question: who
instigated the scuffle that led Zimmerman to pull out his gun? ...
But I think that Zimmerman almost certainly lied about this. I think
it for three reasons."
Oonj: I think it, because GZ's remarks to the dispatcher show that
he can see someone calmly walking down the sidewalk & decide that
someone is up to no good.
Was it GZ's sharp awareness of body language that let him spot TM's
"bad intentions"? Or did he just need a stalking fix?
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Not really. There's a reason I post here about once a month instead of daily, now. I was, however, thinking that someone might have some response that actually addressed what I have pointed out about the way trials work and the laws encouraging murder and discouraging warnings or wounds.
I did actually address that, particularly the latter, but it kinda got lost in the flood - basically it boils down to the reason for these laws being a backlash against a long slew of malicious prosecutions of even blatantly obvious cases of self defense because "OMG, Guns are Eeeevvvvilll!!!!", which is admittedly an asinine way to go about it, given the proper solution to that problem would be not maliciously prosecuting folks for having dared defend themselves (costing avg of $30,000.00 even on a case drop/aquittal) so this is also a matter of the anti-gun people "shooting themself in the foot" (pun intended) by forcing the hand of the law to counter such prosecutions.
Me, I'd end-run the whole mess by having a standing Grand Jury of credentialed firearms and defense instructors before which any and every case of defensive handgun use is passed, with additional latitude to doublecheck the facts of the case, given that it's completely legal for a prosecutor to blatantly lie to a Grand Jury, and thus they'd need the ability to determine the facts for themselves before chosing to no-bill or process the case.
I do try to take a reasonable stand, even when the demands are so often unreasonable and the amount of crass goalpost-moving offensive, and have often offered solutions which meet every ADMITTED intention of both sides only to have them rejected out of hand if not ignored, so I feel your frustration, but it does enrage me that so few seem to actually realize the longterm consequences of their demands upon a system which is not the proper venue to address the root problem.
-Frem
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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
*sigh* Duh. But, as we can learn from reading about the woman in Florida who was charged with attempted murder for discharging her weapon and not killing or hitting anyone (which is, in part, what I was trying to draw attention to) apparently the minimum sentence for that is still twenty years.
I keep reading about this case. I remember we discussed it in another thread. I honestly don't understand the laws in these cases. Why would you get 20 years for self defensive action where no one had died, and aquitted when someone did. If your theory is correct, I imagine there will be more shoot to kill incidents rather than warnings.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Thank you for taking my point and turning it into something else. I just can't get enough of that. [insert sarcmark here]
Remembering the pics you've posted here, I'll bet you can't get enough donuts either. [not sarcasm]
That was needlessly bitchy.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Can we just arm everyone (who wants to be) already? No, really. No criminal record = armed. Then we can wild west it and forget about the corrupt legal system. I personally want a mini-gun. In case of kaiju, of course.
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Nothing you can sing that can't be shot.
Nothing you can shoot but you can learn how to pull the trigger.
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be shot.
No one you can save that can't be shot.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you at the range.
It's easy.
All you need is guns, everybody
All you need is guns
All you need is guns, guns
Guns are all you need.
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