It IS About Race: Study Finds Significant Racial Bias In ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws
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UPDATED: Friday, July 19, 2013 21:28
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Originally posted by fivver:
Wow. Speaking of ignorance. In every felony trial whether state or federal it is the government that brings the charges and must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The defendant has to prove nothing. Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?
Ever hear of an affirmative defence? No, that what self-defence is. It is a defence that requires a person to present evidence to support his or her claim. Even in Florida self defence is an affermative defence, it is just that any bit of evidence to support that claim shifts the burden back on the state. Other states have a much higher bar for the defense to overcome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_defense
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Peacekeeper, you nailed it. In spades, unfortunately. I am ashamed for my country.
Don't be ashamed of your country.Be ashamed of the judge.
With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.
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Fact: Stand your ground laws benefit blacks more than whites.
Those who stood, those who fell: fatal cases
Critics say "stand your ground" turned Florida into the Wild West. Supporters say it has helped keep innocents out of jail. The truth of how the law has been used over the past six years was unknown until now.
What follows is the most comprehensive list of "stand your ground" cases ever created. Browse by victim or defendant, by fatal or nonfatal cases. Hover over a photo to explore the basics of each case or click it for a more detailed case file. Use the buttons at right to filter by race, sex and location.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases
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Originally posted by BRENDA:
They need a study to notice this is biased? In a state like Montana, Martin would have been Indian and Zimmerman would have walked.
Maybe I just look at these kinds of laws with a jaundice eye because I view it through a minority lense.
Had said Indian attacked Zimmerman in a similar fashion, he SHOULD walk, too. Everyone who was fighting for their life would walk. It's a none issue as to the color of the attacker's ( Martin )skin color.
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Quote:I grew up in neighbourhoods like that, I can tell you that Martin threw the first punch- in response to a nervous white dude unable to adequately explain just WHY he was stalking the youth. Yeah, Martin might have been guilty of a pre-emptive defence strike, but Zimmerman initiated it, and should be responsible for its outcome.
Originally posted by Brenda:
I'm still not sure who started what. But then I am also not sure that Zimmerman is completely innocent either.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
a nervous white dude unable to adequately explain just WHY he was stalking the youth.
A nervous white dude which , according to Rachel Jeantel, Trayvon KNEW was a security guard.
And yet, he still chose to confront GZ with violence, instead of running away or simply talking to him.
But GZ, he was the 'adult' in this situation, but didn't act like it.
Trayvon didn't " deserve " to die that night, but George didn't deserve a broken nose and having his head bounced off the cement either. But that's exactly what happened.
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Agreed that Zimmerman should be held accountable for the boy's death.
Legally, the matter's already been addressed.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I grew up in neighbourhoods like that, I can tell you that Martin threw the first punch- in response to a nervous white dude unable to adequately explain just WHY he was stalking the youth. Yeah, Martin might have been guilty of a pre-emptive defence strike, but Zimmerman initiated it, and should be responsible for its outcome.
I don't think you get to punch someone for coming up to you and asking you what you are doing.
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Quote:Martin probably came on with the tough guy "Why you followin' me mutha***er?" prompting Zim to reflexively reach towards his gun making it look like a move of some kind to Martin who didn't wait for a punch or wrestling move to come his way- he attacked.
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I don't think you get to punch someone for coming up to you and asking you what you are doing.
So, you can simplify it all you want, but if you really DO want to simplify it for real, Zimmerman at home drinking his beer & not out looking to be everyone's hero would have been better for all concerned.
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