Zimmerman's Own Words

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SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:53 PM

Right you are Frem. His "take" on the events leading up to the murder, yes I said it, rang hollow to me from day one, but as testimony after testimony shines a light on his "take" it becomes clearer to me this guy is lying through his teeth. It's like Detective Serino said, he's pathological.

What's telling to me is the Judge's flat out rejection of the defense's motion to dismiss the case. That message was loud and clear: there's enough evidence to try the case. Also telling was her turning her back on defense attorney West as he argued for a particularly positive ruling regarding evidence/testimony submitted on behalf of Zimmerman. She left the court while he was in mid-sentence (truthfully, this guy seems like a total dick. Imagine him posting that degrading tweet revealing his and his family's total disdain for Rachelle Jenteal).

One other lie that some have missed: regarding his "head trauma", the 2 cuts on his noggin. In one of the videos where he's talking to the cops he states that when he went to emergency clinic that he was told he needed stitches, but that he refused treatment. The physician's assistant that treated him testified that he did not need stitches and was given a follow-up date. He did not go to the follow up visit. Head trauma my ass..wait, well he does have serious issues, but going on inside his cranium.

There are just too many lies.

SGG

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Lest we forget, Zimmerman has changed his little story at least five times now, including an admission of flat out lying in the official report, so it's not like there's any credibility to be had when he opens his mouth anyways.

His ORIGINAL bullshit story was getting out to check a street sign and being jumped from behind by surprise out of the blue for no reason by Martin, despite the obvious fact that given he was FOLLOWING Martin he kinda had him in sight and in front of him, and that story further came to pieces on the call logs, whereupon Zimmerman changed his tale, and than again when THAT version was proven a lie... and so forth and so on - frankly I feel that he damned well ought to face additional charges for knowingly giving a false police report and possibly for perjury as well, as he's made statements under oath proven to be not only demonstrably false, but also that he knew at the time were false.

No, being a stupid jackass isn't a crime - murdering someone out of wounded pride cause of a situation YOU sent spiraling out of control to feed your goddamn ego, and then lying about it repeatedly.... that *IS*.

-Frem

OONJERAH

Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
... be great entertainment watching big cities burn down and property destroyed as rioters and looters run amok through the streets. But the best part of course, will be watching the faces of the race-mongering media pundits as they cover the aftermath of the monster they solely created.

I disagree, JS. It's a situation that Our Racist Society
creates over and over again. The only difference with this
case is, like the Rodney King thing, it got noticed & then
it wouldn't go away.

Our Racist Society could be made to notice more of these
cases. Our hypocritical ass needs to get the message.

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:17 AM

Leaving aside the casual and obvious racism of our rightwingnuts, the factor of the media is something of concern in that rather than playing the typical sensationalism and biased yellow journalism (in both directions, naturally, to get maximum viewer potential), as of late they've seemed to be almost deliberately feeding the fire - and a careful analysis indicates repeated out of place phrases and strange word choices which really gives off a whiff of having been handed a script from upstairs....

Others of similiar suspicious bent went digging into the backtrail, and it's come to light there seems to be an actual push by the USDOJ towards confrontation, and we're waitin on document evidence since there's apparently a paper trail.

So once again we have our so called protectors deliberately causing chaos and carnage to justify their own existence, and the fifth estate helping them instead of shutting them down - which all in combination is gonna make any verdict, particularly an exoneration, look damn suspicious, for if the USDOJ financed and supported a push towards riots, you'd think for even a second they'd balk at strongarming a judge into pulling the trigger on it ?

Welcome to "justice" in america today - and yeah verily Obama shares the blame, but you rightwingnuts here don't get to point the finger cause you cheered on and maliciously, deliberately, ignorantly, enabled the very means by which he gets to do so, when your dimwitted texan asshat was sliming up the chair, which deprives you of any moral high ground in this.

-Frem

1KIKI

Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:04 AM

It looks to be going the way I feared. There's no consideration for a guy who was minding his own business going home from the store. Somehow, the fact he got stalked by a man with a gun - and had to defend himself with force - was his fault.

I would HOPE the jury is smarter than that. But when they see a black man, I suspect they see evil-doer rather than sympathetic victim. And when they see a really Caucasian-looking Hispanic, I suspect they see a potential victim, or hero, just like them. And not the sole architect of his own fuck-up.

I would like to be proven wrong.

OONJERAH

Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:21 AM

Something that seems odd to me ...
This trial was started and finished in record time.
Faster than a speeding bullet train.

Are lawyers & witnesses just way sharper & faster in FL
than in CA? Did members of the jury have no questions?
Was it all rehearsed?
Did I sleep thru it?

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M52NICKERSON

Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:36 AM

The trial was short because there was not a lot of evidence to present. That is a problem for the prosecution. Remember they have to proof that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. Florida is not like most states. In Florida self defense is not a positive defense, meaning the state has all the burden of proof.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

NIKI2

Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:08 PM

Thank you, Shiny. I'm not following the trail, it's not worth it for me because I'm pretty much afraid, it being Florida, that "law" being useful, he'll get off. I've paid attention to what's come out and what I've heard here, and for me there is enough evidence to make up my own mind. So I appreciate what you added about the judge, and there is news that indicates you may be onto something:

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Zimmerman jury may consider lesser charge of manslaughter: judge

Jurors in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman may also consider convicting him of the lesser charge of manslaughter in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin, a judge ruled on Thursday.

In a victory for Florida state prosecutors, Judge Debra Nelson issued her ruling before prosecutors were scheduled to deliver closing arguments Thursday in the case which has captivated and polarized much of the U.S. public, and which generated a wave of street demonstrations last year.

As of Wednesday afternoon, prosecutors had indicated they would seek a second option of aggravated assault. More at http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/11/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUS
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I had yesterday heard the defense was arguing against any lesser charges--obviously just the one major charge would be difficult, and I don't think it's warranted. It may evidence what you suggested about the judge, Shiny, that she's allowing this lesser charge; personally I hope she allows the aggravated assault. I don't see Zimmerman as evil, just not too smart and with a dangerous mentality, and I think aggravated assault is the most logical verdict they could come up with, or manslaughter if that's not allowed. In my opinion Zimmerman has shown himself to be guilty, but not of deliberate murder, and I don't see sending him away for life as "justice". JMHO.

I think we all understand how it works:

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The defense preferred an "all or nothing" choice on second-degree murder ... concerned the jury might opt for what lead defense lawyer Mark O'Mara described as a "compromise verdict."

Zimmerman's detractors see him as a racial profiler who considered Martin suspicious because the teenager was black, and blame the defendant for unnecessarily pulling out his Kel Tec 9mm pistol, which was fully loaded with hollow-point bullets.

STORYMARK

Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:21 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I despair of your laws in the US if this guy gets off with nothing. If you shot and killed an unarmed person, if even you were defending yourself, you'd get convicted of something - manslaughter most likely. Surely there has to be acknowledge of due force, not any force.

Anyway, trial will determine the outcome, right or wrong.

In Florida as soon as you fear for your life you are allowed to use lethal force. It does not matter if the other person is armed or not.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Such an inanely broad, unfocused law. By that logic, someone with agoraphobia could kill a whole bunch of people at a mall or something, and claim they were scared.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NIKI2

Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:44 PM

The whole IDEA is to make it broad. Just keep in mind that it's part of ALEC working in MANY states to create laws that will encourage people to buy guns. That's all the explanation you need to understand the "why" of the law.

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Such an inanely broad, unfocused law. By that logic, someone with agoraphobia could kill a whole bunch of people at a mall or something, and claim they were scared.

Pretty close. People have walked away with no charges for shooting unarmed people who did not even touch them; shooting people who did attack them but then were fleeing.

Plus, as I stated before Florida is one of the few states that does not view self defense as a positive defense. If you claim self defense here the state has the burden of disproving that. You have no burden what so ever.

If Zimmerman is found not guilty no one that has followed the case and looked at the laws will be surprised.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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