Zimmerman's Own Words
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UPDATED: Saturday, July 20, 2013 04:28
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MAL4- again, thank you for that cogent post.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MAL4- again, thank you for that cogent post.
Ditto, MAL4!
Martin's death was worse than unnecessary and tragic. There was malice
in it -- the sort of impersonal malice of an angry & very foolish man.
May this become a classic lesson in the need for self-honesty.
If I do hammer on that point, it's probably due to my own years of Out
of Control, foolish, destructiveness. Thru no fault of my own, I did not
cause a tragedy and come before my judges.
Why do I have no sympathy for Zimmerman? He just pisses me off, lying &
inflating his pride when he should show remorse. He's not Teachable.
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All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. ~Paul Simon
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"Are you suggesting that Zimmerman is guilty of something, but that the jury should let him walk?"
No, I'm concerned that the jury will be instructed to ONLY consider the letter of the 'stand your ground' law as applied to Zimmerman, and be told to ignore all other context. I'm concerned that the jury is white and Hispanic, with no African-Americans. I see a lot of room for ancillary factors that could lead to a less than just verdict.
Geezer, b4 you start whining like a dog that needs to be let out, I suggest you re-read my post and try to find anywhere where I suggest the jury should ignore the facts and come to a pre-judged verdict.
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I despair of your laws in the US if this guy gets off with nothing. If you shot and killed an unarmed person, if even you were defending yourself, you'd get convicted of something - manslaughter most likely. Surely there has to be acknowledge of due force, not any force.
Anyway, trial will determine the outcome, right or wrong.
In Florida as soon as you fear for your life you are allowed to use lethal force. It does not matter if the other person is armed or not.
I've had discussions around this. I do not agree with this law.
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
If I recall your posts last year, Frem ... didn't you say that
Zimmerman wouldn't be able to keep his mouth shut, and he'd
convict himself by blab?
By now, I guess, there's no way his attorney would let him take
the stand.
Depends on whether his attorney really means to defend him, or intends to take a dive on purpose, and there's also what an idiot Zimmerman is, as he's fired at least one attorney rather than listen to his advice about shutting the fuck up - my exact comment was thus:
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See, from a prosecution angle, all you have to do is get this guy on the stand and start poking his fragile ego, and he'll ruin himself, lickety split - and worse, he will WANT to do it, just as his pride and ego forced that confrontation, demanded that he shoot, it will push him to tell his side of the story and "dress it up" in some logically inconsistent way that will allow a prosecutor with even a peanut for a brain (which is most of em) to completely excoriate his ass. So even if he gets a decent attorney, chances are he will no more listen to them about shutting the fuck up and staying off the stand, than he did the police dispatcher telling him not to pursue.
Really, guys like this, all you have to do is hand them a shovel, you understand ?
And in respect to Geezers stupid bullshit, one could say that's prettymuch what happened to Martin, couldn't they ? and somehow you don't have much a problem with THAT, do you - careful, you're true colors are showing.
I have ever maintained that Zimmerman is MORALLY guilty, and whether or not he is LEGALLY guilty needs be determined by a court, but since we all seem to know damn well our so-called-justice system is nothing but a fucking rubber stamp for the prison profit machine, wailing about it now does much of nothing, and again, I didn't see any fucking bitching when it railroaded kids and minorities, so maybe you should just fly that white sheet as a flag instead of wearing it, right Geeze ?
Me personally, I got an attitude about this cause it demeans MY work and profession, that which puts food on MY table, so yeah verily imma take it a bit more harsh than most would.
-Frem
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Yay Mal4, for me, too! WE are listening to the FACTS provided to us by the media and making up our own mind, and there are plenty of facts to point the way we are leaning. I think we have that right just as much as the jury does.
I not only disagree with that law, I believe it, and those in other states like it, were created explicitly by ALEC for the gun manufacturers in order to sell more guns. There are plenty of facts to back that up as well. And I see Zimmerman as being precisely the consequences of that law, as well as a patsy to it.
I will defend my right to listen to the facts and make up my own mind, and speak my mind. We all have that right, and to pretend anyone here is saying Zimmerman should be hung is illustrative of Geezer's prejudice and mentality, not a single thing more.
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Prosecution taking a dive?
Zimmerman trial: It's about race - By Roxanne Jones, Special to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/09/opinion/jones-zimmerman-trial/index.html
"I would have told Martin's parents, 'prepare for hell,' " says
Donaldson. "It will not be easy. They will present evidence that
will make your son look like the worst criminal. ... "
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I've had discussions around this. I do not agree with this law.
I don't agree with it either. However because of the law and how it is written I think Zimmerman is going to be acquitted.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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I fear so too. It isn't the first, and won't be the last.
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Zimmerman's a piece of crap, but I expect he's going to be free by Friday or early next week. Some people are saying they expect riots and buildings set ablaze in large urban areas. In that case I'll just sit back on my couch and watch it all on tv with a large bag of buttered popcorn and some cold beers. Should be great entertainment watching big cities burn down and property destroyed as rioters and looters run amok through the streets. But the best part of course, will be watching the faces of the race-mongering media pundits as they cover the aftermath of the monster they solely created.
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